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04-09-2010 04:23 AM  8 years agoPost 1
Dennis (RIP)

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Permanent Underclass: 47% of the Country Pays No Income Tax

April 8, 2010

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RUSH: Nearly half of US households escape the federal income tax. "About 47 percent will pay no federal income taxes at all for 2009. Either their incomes were too low, or they qualified for enough credits, deductions and exemptions to eliminate their liability. That's according to projections by the Tax Policy Center." By the way, this bunch, they're an outgrowth of the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution. They are a far left bunch. This is not some middle of the road think tank reporting this. This is a far left group, and they're happy about it. "Most people still are required to file returns by the April 15 deadline. The penalty for skipping it is limited to the amount of taxes owed, but it's still almost always better to file," the AP suggests here. "That's the only way to get a refund of all the income taxes withheld by employers. In recent years, credits for low- and middle-income families have grown so much that a family of four making as much as $50,000 will owe no federal income tax for 2009."

I have news for you. If you earn $60,000 a year, you are in the upper 10% of wage earners in this country. Fifty thousand and a family of four, you effectively pay no income tax. The earned income tax credit, all the child exemptions, and in some states you don't even have to have a child to get the child exemption, you just have to know one. I'm not making it up. Or you have to visit one. In fact, in some states, I forget which state it is, read so much about this today, one state gives you an earned income tax credit or some child tax credit if you're a father who no longer lives with the kid, but you still get credit for it. Now, that's going to promote family togetherness, right? The deadbeat dad qualifies for a child tax credit in certain states. "'We have 50 percent of people who are getting something for nothing,' said Curtis Dubay, senior tax policy analyst at the Heritage Foundation. The vast majority of people who escape federal income taxes still pay other taxes, including federal payroll taxes that fund Social Security and Medicare, and excise taxes on gasoline --" oh, okay, so we're supposed to feel better 'cause they at least are paying other taxes.

"That helps explain the country's aversion to taxes, said Clint Stretch, a tax policy expert Deloitte Tax. He said many people simply look at the difference between their gross pay and their take-home pay and blame the government for the disparity." Well, yeah! Who else is responsible for it? "'It's not uncommon for people to think that their Social Security taxes, their 401(k) contributions, their share of employer health premiums, all of that stuff in their mind gets lumped into income taxes,' Stretch said. The federal income tax is the government's largest source of revenue, raising more than $900 billion -- or a little less than half of all government receipts -- in the budget year that ended last Sept. 30." Wow. That's incredible. It was almost that much at the end of the eighties when Reagan lowered tax rates, almost exactly that much. I don't think all of that $900 billion was income tax revenue, but it was close. So anyway, there's the sad details of all this: jobless numbers up, 1.2 million people homeless, 47% paying no income tax. What recovery? Where is the laser-like focus on jobs? It doesn't exist. He's either incompetent or doing it on purpose. It doesn't matter which at this point. What matters is that the policies of this regime be stopped and reversed.
To the phones we go. Jacksonville, Florida. Steve, nice to have you on the program, sir, and welcome.

CALLER: Thank you, Rush. Good to talk to you.

RUSH: You bet.

CALLER: I got an idea here. First of all let me say I'm a very conservative person and I believe that the government should spend no more than they take in.

RUSH: Right.

CALLER: But with the national debt and the way it's still growing --

RUSH: Yeah.

CALLER: -- and the inability of Obama and the Democrats to try to reduce it at all, I'm getting more interested in this value-added tax, but I think that two things need to happen. One is that the value-added tax, a hundred percent of what's collected be dedicated to reducing the national debt.

RUSH: Won't happen.

CALLER: Well, I know but needs to have some controls on it.

RUSH: Won't happen.

CALLER: And it would be effective for a specified period of time, say five years or ten years.

RUSH: Won't happen.

CALLER: And then once the debt's reduced it goes away.

RUSH: Well, that won't happen, either.

CALLER: Yeah, I know.

RUSH: The debt won't be reduced. Yesterday I had a story from this same outfit that put out the story on 47% of the population not paying income tax, the Tax Policy Center, and they had their geeks do all kinds of research, and they found that there is no level of taxation within our current tax structure that would come anywhere close to reducing the debt. Even they admit that the only way to reduce the debt is to stop spending money we don't have. We cannot tax ourselves into prosperity, and we cannot tax ourselves outta debt. Do either of those make any sense? The more money you take out of the private sector, the slower the economy, the less revenue is generated, the fewer taxpayers there are. It doesn't make any sense at all. None of this that's being done makes any sense. In countries in Europe where they've had the VAT, the VAT rate keeps rising, federal spending, government spending keeps rising.

The number two job of any elected official is spending money. The first job is to get reelected. So the VAT tax, it might work, if they stop the income tax. If they replace the income tax with the VAT tax, I mean that's a fair rate, everybody pays the same rate, somewhat elective because it's a consumption-based tax. You get credits for -- well, you don't, the consumer, but people along the supply line, from manufacturer to retail sale, they get a credit for the tax in the previous step of the way, at least in some countries. It depends on how they would set this up. But I mean if they replace the federal income tax with it, get rid of the tax code, then maybe, much fairer, much simpler, you wouldn't even need to file a tax form. That will never happen, because the tax code is the single greatest power for social architecture that US Congress members have.
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04-09-2010 08:14 AM  8 years agoPost 2
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Dennis, aren't you in that same class of people who don't pay income taxes? Just sayin'...

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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04-09-2010 01:03 PM  8 years agoPost 3
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Dennis, aren't you in that same class of people who don't pay income taxes? Just sayin'...
Ya right.

I'm retired James. I still pay taxes. Much the same as anyone else.

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04-09-2010 01:11 PM  8 years agoPost 4
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I study tax laws to get the biggest bang for the my buck each and every year. And If I can get away with as many credits and deductions, I do and will.

"I just don't Listen" "

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04-09-2010 01:20 PM  8 years agoPost 5
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It needs to be a flat tax so everyone knows just how much it's costing. Then we need a balanced budget ammendment.

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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04-09-2010 01:58 PM  8 years agoPost 6
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If you want change:

Vote every single incumbent OUT OF OFFICE this coming November. Every single one on BOTH sides. Its time we gave THEM a CHANGE and put THEM our of work.

Nothing will change until we do that. Nothing.

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04-09-2010 04:33 PM  8 years agoPost 7
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first, voting all of them out won't happen. Second, who ever you vote into office will fall into lock-steop just like their predecessors.

Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!

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04-09-2010 05:19 PM  8 years agoPost 8
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I know this will never happen, but on BIG DEAL things, such as tax reform, health care, term limits, etc, I believe these items should be dealt with as referendums and voted on by the public. We could solve some large issues this way, but alas, the pols will never let us take that power away from them. Term limits would be the first I would like a chance to vote on.

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04-09-2010 11:17 PM  8 years agoPost 9
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Term limits would be the first I would like a chance to vote on.
Terms limits is not something that will happen by itself or by the politicians. Only the voters can make that happen by doing this:
Vote every single incumbent OUT OF OFFICE this coming November. Every single one on BOTH sides. Its time we gave THEM a CHANGE and put THEM our of work.

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04-10-2010 04:00 AM  8 years agoPost 10
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The other option is for the voters to form our own party, like the tea party, and then vote them in and the others out!
That is the only way to get aroud the special interests that control the parties and the press and restore the power to the people!

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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04-10-2010 04:26 AM  8 years agoPost 11
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When you take a step back and look at the US right now its pretty pathetic. We punish the productive people by taking their money and give it to the non productive people. It's no different then punishing those who do well in school and redeeming those who don't.

Liberals are nothing more then losers who can't hack it. I'm embarrassed to have people like that in our country. As long as these whiners keep making a fuss our future elections won't change a thing, they'll just keep demanding more and more.

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04-10-2010 11:01 AM  8 years agoPost 12
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We punish the productive people by taking their money
Pretty much true.
and give it to the non productive people.
Maybe not completely true.
Liberals are nothing more then losers who can't hack it.
Not completely true either. I know lots of folks who might classify themselves a liberal who do very well for themselves. Hard working folks.

Something else that is often not mentioned in these threads are the folks that are recipients of billions in corporate welfare who might call themselves conservatives. Building monuments to themselves with my tax dollars, with out paying ANY them selves. I see alot of it. Getting wealthier on the backs of those who can least afford it.

Just saying it's a two way street. I pledge allegiance to neither group. Always tried to live in this world using both eyes and ears, not just my right or my left like a lot here do.

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04-11-2010 12:43 AM  8 years agoPost 13
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Then tell me why every liberal is constantly whining about something not being fair, and I'm not talking about just money.

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