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04-09-2010 12:53 AM  8 years agoPost 1
RayJayJohnsonJr

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We bought a new 2009 Pontiac Vibe GT 18 months ago. I've been very picky about the oil and filters I've used for oil changes because if something would come up that would require warranty service, I don't want to give them any reason to reject the warranty over something as simple as oil or oil filter. The oil I use is what's specified in Pontiac's approved list of oils for that automobile. And I've always used the same filter as the car was delivered with. In this case, it's a Toyota filter, as the Vibe is merely a re-branded Toyota Matrix. Anyway, recently the dealership where we had purchased the car, and subsequently had been purchasing oil filters, was bought out by another dealer, and is no longer carrying the filter I need. So today, in need of a filter, I stopped at another Pontiac dealer asking for a filter for my vibe. He whips out an AC/Delco filter. Well, that kinda bugged me a little bit, seeing as how it wasn't what the car was manufactured with. But, I was at a Pontiac dealership's parts department, so, ok. That'll probably be ok. Then he opens the box and pulls it out. I forgot to mention I had brought in an old filter to show him what I wanted. He holds them up side by side and shows me the mounting end of the filters, and says "How 'bout that?" Wanting me to see that the mounting ends were identical. I proceeded to tip the filters in his hands vertical and pointed to the AC/Delco filter which was 2/3 the length of the Toyota filter, and said "How 'bout that? Wonder how much paper is in your AC/Delco filter?" I told him I'd keep looking for the 'right' filter, and left. I then found a Toyota dealer and bought one there.

My question to anyone that might know is, if something did come up regarding the engine involving the lubrication system that would require warranty, how easy would it be for Pontiac to deny warranty based on not having an OEM filter. Remember, the AC/Delco filter that guy tried to sell me was only 2/3 as long. Certainly not going to perform like the one I'm replacing.

Just wondering....

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04-09-2010 01:09 AM  8 years agoPost 2
Wayne Mann

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I would find the OEM filter that came on the car. But the most important thing is to keep very accurate records of all service that you perform and keep all receipts.

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04-09-2010 01:14 AM  8 years agoPost 3
2LTime

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Not really what your asking, but I routinely use the "wrong" filter on my cars. I bet there are about 5 actually different mounting patterns, the difference in all the rest is length. A longer filter doesn't necessarily mean better filtering. Clearance is usually what determines which filter goes on what car. Many cars with the exact same engine take different filters in different cars because of how they're mounted. I buy what's on clearance for $1.50. My last three cars lasted over 200K with no engine problems.

Concerning the warranty, how would they prove you used an incorrect/substandard filter?

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04-09-2010 01:22 AM  8 years agoPost 4
Salty

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it aint the size I'd be worried about, rather the size of microns and percentage of trash the filter will filter...

You wanna see some nightmare's....look up Fram horror stories....hooo whee...

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04-09-2010 01:23 AM  8 years agoPost 5
RayJayJohnsonJr

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But the most important thing is to keep very accurate records of all service that you perform and keep all receipts.
Yep, been doing that too.
Concerning the warranty, how would they prove you used an incorrect/substandard filter?
All they'd have to do is look. If it's not the OEM filter, that's all they'd need.

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04-09-2010 01:48 AM  8 years agoPost 6
trekrider586

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I get this question ALL the time so heres the LEGAL answer.
and I quote"consumer purchasers of automotive filters are sometimes told by an automotive dealer,service writer,or mechanic that a brand of replacement filter(aftermarket) cannot be used during the warranty period.the claim is made that use of the brand will " void the warranty" with the statement or implication that only original equipment brand of filters may be used. This of course tends to cast doubt of the quality of the replacement filter.

That claim is simply not true. If the consumer asks for the statement in writing he will not receive it. None the less, the consumer may feel uneasy about replacement filters that are not OE. With the large number of do it yourselfers who prefer to install to prefer to install their own filters this misleading claim should be corrected.

Under the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act and general principals of the Federal Trade Commission Act, a manufacturer may not require the use of any brand of filter (or any other article) unless the manufacturer provides the item free of charge under the terms of the warranty.

So, if the consumer is told that only the original equipment filter will not void the warranty he should request that the OE filter be supplied free of charge. If he is charged for the filter, the manufacturer will be violating the Magnuson-Moss Act. It should be noted that the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act is a Federal Law that applies to consumer products. The Federal Trade Commission has authority to enforce the Magnuson-Moss Act including obtaining injunctions and orders containing affirmative relief. In addition a consumer can bring suit under the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.

sorry for the long post.I sell filters to quarries with new million dollar machines,so I hear that statement quite often

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04-09-2010 02:27 AM  8 years agoPost 7
bowman

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Add to that, that most name brand filters are made to, if not better then OEM specifacations.

I'de say warranty companies,(carrs) are full of zhit!

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04-09-2010 02:36 AM  8 years agoPost 8
Kevin Dalrymple

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As a professional tech. The warranty could be void if you ran the motor with out oil. like they did on the Zmax commercials. Change the oil and in the time line it states and you will be fine. The motor should last 200,000 with proper maintenance.

BMW and some other car companies require there oil and filter service for warranty, and they sell that warranty with the car.

GM stands behind there product. Drive and enjoy. it is a very cool car.

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04-09-2010 04:26 AM  8 years agoPost 9
TMoore

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On my truck the dealer installs an AC PF46 but when I change the oil I use a PF61 which is a good inch longer. The seal area is identical, I prefer to use the longer filter but that's a personal preference.

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04-09-2010 06:30 AM  8 years agoPost 10
Isaac F

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Not really what you are asking but here you can see a Oil filter Study about what filter is good and what filters to avoid.

I am pretty shure if you do a search on the net you will find who really manufacture does AC Delco filters and if they are good or bad.

http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw/oilf...ilterstudy.html
They say here that the AC Delco filters are made by Champion

http://www.corolland.com/oil-filters.html They say here that the Toyota filters are made by Purolator

Good luck,

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04-09-2010 01:24 PM  8 years agoPost 11
PBusch

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Just don't use Fram filters what ever you do.

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04-09-2010 06:41 PM  8 years agoPost 12
trekrider586

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Just don't use Fram filters what ever you do.
AMEN!
if you took the fram apart,the filter accordian has a material much like what beer boxes are made of..pasteboard..with only a rubber diaphram as the "check valve" and a bent metal tab as a spring to hold pressure on the assembly.
not anything i would want on my vehicle

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04-09-2010 08:10 PM  8 years agoPost 13
outhouse

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knowing both cars inside and out and working for both company's as well as owning the ge zz1 and zz2 motor's [older corolla, celica vibe, matrix and others lol] ill say this.

acdelco makes a fine filter, no worries there at all. as stated size isnt everything.

remember the only claim that could apply would be if you had a factory defect in a crank, rod or piston or camshaft and valve train. the odds of this are so slim and the engine would have to run thousands of trouble free miles with a defect. this generaly wont happen and the Numa plant in Ca that recently closed that produced allot of them had a very high overall quality standard that relates to a very very low engine failure rate.

basicaly we dont see those kinds of failures in the service dpt

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