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04-08-2010 07:36 PM  8 years agoPost 1
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D.C. teacher salaries to soar despite budget shortfall

April 8, 2010 Posted by Staff

A D.C. Public Schools teacher contract announced Wednesday would cost the cash-strapped city $140 million through 2012, while allowing the pay of some classroom educators to soar to nearly $150,000.

Mayor Adrian Fenty, speaking alongside giddy school and union officials, defended the cost increases, even as the city faces a $523 million shortfall.

"There are a lot of important things we do," he said. "But there is no higher priority than an excellent education for each of our children."

Officials expressed confidence that the city's Chief Financial Officer Natwar Gandhi, a Fenty appointee, would sign off on the plan's financial viability.

About $65 million of the cost would be funded by one-time donations from private foundations. The majority of that money would be used to kick-start a pay-for-performance program, while some would be used to fund five years of cost of living increases totaling 21.6 percent by 2012.

The city expects further dollars to come from ongoing "efficiencies" within the schools, such as reducing the number of special needs students attending private schools paid for with public funds.

Under the contract, teachers who opt for performance pay would be able to earn up to $147,000. First-year teachers could earn up to $70,000. Currently, teachers max out at $87,000. The average DCPS teacher salary is $65,000...

http://www.lauraingraham.com/b/D.C....6976667857.html

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04-08-2010 07:40 PM  8 years agoPost 2
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Good for them.

I have always felt that teacher's were extremely underpaid for the amount of schooling that they have to take and the crap they have to put up with.

There is enough other wasted pork in that city to cut besides education funding. They could cut the politician's saleries for one!

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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04-08-2010 07:43 PM  8 years agoPost 3
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Good for them.

I have always felt that teacher's were extremely underpaid for the amount of schooling that they have to take and the crap they have to put up with.
Yeah, thats great to make $147,000.00 for working 9 months out of the year. That, plus getting some of the finest benefits known to man.

Great deal for them.

And a screw job on the tax payer.

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04-08-2010 07:57 PM  8 years agoPost 4
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Teacher's benifits aren't any better then any other regular goverment employees, street sweepers, cops, firfighters road crews ect....

How come your not complaining about them?

Think about this Dennis, if teacher's salarys continue to drop and be historically low for the education recieved, then fewer and fewer people will going into teaching as a profession. That drives up demand and That is what is driving up pay for them. There has to be a balance.

Most teacher's work way more then 8 hours a day without any overtime pay and yet people like you still never give them the respect they deserve. Why?
Many of those teachers have a lot of schooling that they take, They go to college for 8-12 years thats just as long as a basic doctor does, so why should they make only a fraction of the amount of other people who had to go to collage for that long for their profession? 60 grand a year in DC is nothing! Do you not have any concept of what the cost of living is there??
Common Dennis, don't be like OCB dude!

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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04-08-2010 08:20 PM  8 years agoPost 5
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If we are talking regular high school/grade school teachers, I think that you can get teaching certificate with four year degree.

That does seem to be a rather sizable jump in pay all at one time.

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04-08-2010 08:53 PM  8 years agoPost 6
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Teacher's benifits aren't any better then any other regular goverment employees, street sweepers, cops, firfighters road crews ect....

How come your not complaining about them?
1) The rest of who you mention don't get 3 months off per year not including every holiday know to man while working.

2) I am 63 years old. All my life teachers have been asking for more and more. The quality of education keeps dropping. Why should I agree to pay teachers more when the quality of their works decreases?
Think about this Dennis, if teacher's salarys continue to drop and be historically low for the education recieved, then fewer and fewer people will going into teaching as a profession.
Then show me, at any time, when teachers salaries have decreased?????? Go for it.

Even if what you say is true, why would anyone complete 8 years or more of education in a field with DECREASING salaries? They do have a choice of fields. No one forces them to choose teaching.
60 grand a year in DC is nothing! Do you not have any concept of what the cost of living is there??
I did not force anyone to live in DC. Are you aware of anyone who forces anyone to live in DC?

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04-08-2010 09:39 PM  8 years agoPost 7
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Let me see...
what part of "there's no frikin money" do you people not undestand ???

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04-09-2010 02:38 AM  8 years agoPost 8
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sorry but Dennis is right on. I know a young women that went to school for 10 years to get a 4 year degree to teach. I swear, this girl can't add, has ZERO English skills, etc. She has decided rather than to teach, to stay on as a bartender and try to catch the dude with a fat wallet. I'm sorry, but I know a lot of teachers and I think the average janitor is smarter. However, I do think we should pay a lot more, but have tests, etc. to weed out the posers. Think about it. Look at the kids teachers are turning out in DC??? At some point, doesn't ONE teacher have to AXE why theys talks likes theys do???

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04-09-2010 02:46 AM  8 years agoPost 9
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However, I do think we should pay a lot more, but have tests, etc. to weed out the posers.
No offense. But, I totally disagree. As long as the lefties and the unions dominate academia, I have absolutely, 100%, no faith that they will get our education system right.

I am all for completely shutting down ALL public schools and letting them go private.

Kinda radical. So is left wing, loony academia.

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04-09-2010 03:16 AM  8 years agoPost 10
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not sure you're actually disagreeing with me Dennis. The teachers union is one of the most corrupt, inept in this country. Like I said, I know a lot of teachers and I would easily say that 8 out of 10 are complete idiots. That being said, I think if we paid them more, BUT raised the bar and made sure they passed some kind of competency test, we'd get a better grade of person teaching the kids. But the union would never let that happen, because as unions usually do, they appeal to the least intelligent and competent.

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04-09-2010 04:46 AM  8 years agoPost 11
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I am all for completely shutting down ALL public schools and letting them go private.
We actually agree there Dennis. Did you know the amount spent on school bourds is a lot higher then the money spent on the schools/teachers/students? I have no problem with the privatizing of the school system.
Then show me, at any time, when teachers salaries have decreased?????? Go for it.
A Freind of mine, a math teacher in Huntsville Al, when I lived there had mentioned to me that no teacher there had a single raise in six years. And with the cost of living going up every year a few percent, that is basically a pay cut. His mean income for teaching basically went down.
I think if we paid them more, BUT raised the bar and made sure they passed some kind of competency test, we'd get a better grade of person teaching the kids.
I have no problem with that.

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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04-09-2010 05:05 AM  8 years agoPost 12
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A Freind of mine, a math teacher in Huntsville Al, when I lived there had mentioned to me that no teacher there had a single raise in six years. And with the cost of living going up every year a few percent, that is basically a pay cut. His mean income for teaching basically went down.
Golly gee whiz. Thats to bad.

I happen to know some folks that work in manufacturing and some in the service side. Including some family members. Every single one of them have had their hours cut back. Most are only working 4 days a week. Thats a 20% pay cut right off the top. In addition, some have had their hourly rates cut back. That makes the pain worse. And, some have been laid off for months & months. A few are right on the edge of running out of unemployment benefits entirely.

And teachers are crying about not getting a pay raise for 6 years. Let them come to me to complain. I will explain a few things to them they may not want to hear.

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04-09-2010 05:08 AM  8 years agoPost 13
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They go to college for 8-12 years thats just as long as a basic doctor does
I would love to know what teachers have 8 to 12 years of college. Only proffessors usually have that type of education, It is called a PHD. I encourage you to show me 5% of public school teachers K-12 with a PHD or to make it easier 12 years of college. I also encourage you to show where at least 50% of teacher have 8 or more years of college. I assure this will not be possible please back your statements up with facts for all I am hearing is propaganda.

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04-09-2010 07:23 AM  8 years agoPost 14
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Golly gee whiz. Thats to bad.
And teachers are crying about not getting a pay raise for 6 years. Let them come to me to complain. I will explain a few things to them they may not want to hear.
It was before the ecomomy tanked four years ago that he told me that
dennis.

You are one bitter dude, get over yourself!

Just because your uneducated or the unemployed in your family or friends cant find jobs, so what? Who cares? I sure don't.

If someone isn't happy with their current situation, then work hard to change. get off the couch and do something about it.
Its hard work to pick yourself up, dust off and realize you need to make changes if you want to improve yourself. Try it sometime.

Why fault those that worked hard to get an education, and who do a thankless job to teach others?

You complain about other people having a sense of entitlement but your post is basically the same thing.

Your just being a little baby about the fact someone else is going to get a raise. Who cares, you dont live there, its no skin off your back, so why are you crying about it, it doesn't affect you.

Teachers do a thankless job, I wouldn't want that agravation and have to deal with what they do no matter what it paid.

Compain all you want dennis, I couldn't care less. Regardless of what you think, the fact remains that more and more teachers are leaving the profession and less are entering it.

You never replied to my comment early about the cost of living in DC dennis, whats the matter? Cant wrap your head around that fact that 60 thou isn't enough to afford a halfway decent one bedroom there?

Jgator man, I agree, yes there are some who did the basic classes, and they are as far along as they will ever get. But on the flip side, ask any physics or science teacher how long they had to go to college. I can garuntee you it was over 4 and most likly at least 6-8 if not more years. Just to get pre-reqs required to get to go to some 4 year bachlors programs can take over a year.

Several of my collage teachers also teach at local high schools. Many are leaving the k-12s to teach at CCs. Most have several Bachlor degrees and a few also have masters as well. Many had to work and go to school at the same time to support themselves. Some are still taking classes to get an even higher education.

There is no way I would ever work as a teacher. Having to deal with jerk parents that are to stupid to raise their own kids properly, or dealing with stupid school boards and then people like you that have no respect for any of them. Forget that, who needs it?

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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04-09-2010 09:15 AM  8 years agoPost 15
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One thing is for sure
Any country without a good education system is not going to lead the world in anything.The existing high achievers will have to be replaced by young achievers in the future.Did you know that the chinese have the highest proportion of university graduates in the world.They recognise this is a modern global world requirement,hope we do as well.Saving money is one thing,at the expense of education is another.One thing that does puzzle me though is how we are going to achieve this as to compete with Asia we need a low cost base and well educated work force.Asia has already stolen the march on this point.Living standards dont look like improving for the masses for some time to come until this little issue is corrected.

Team- unbiased opinion.K.I.S.S principle upheld here

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04-09-2010 01:10 PM  8 years agoPost 16
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You never replied to my comment early about the cost of living in DC dennis, whats the matter? Cant wrap your head around that fact that 60 thou isn't enough to afford a halfway decent one bedroom there?
You don't read to well James:
I did not force anyone to live in DC. Are you aware of anyone who forces anyone to live in DC?
If someone isn't happy with their current situation, then work hard to change. get off the couch and do something about it.
Its hard work to pick yourself up, dust off and realize you need to make changes if you want to improve yourself. Try it sometime.
Teachers can do the same as well James.

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04-09-2010 01:42 PM  8 years agoPost 17
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Jgator man, I agree, yes there are some who did the basic classes, and they are as far along as they will ever get. But on the flip side, ask any physics or science teacher how long they had to go to college. I can garuntee you it was over 4 and most likly at least 6-8 if not more years. Just to get pre-reqs required to get to go to some 4 year bachlors programs can take over a year
Dear Sir, while attending 6th through eight grade I attended a progam called P.A.T.S. every teacher there had a PHD. I will assure you they were the only teachers in my K-12 curiculum that did. As far as physics and science teachers if it took them over 4 years to complete their curiculum it was due to the fact they they were not going full time or they had other issues,both degrees are based on a 4 year curiculum many teachers have their masters however this is still only an additional 2 years which is a far cry from 8 or 12. To maintain ones credibility it is wise not to exagerate the facts, which you have.

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04-09-2010 05:01 PM  8 years agoPost 18
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As far as physics and science teachers if it took them over 4 years to complete their curiculum it was due to the fact they they were not going full time or they had other issues,both degrees are based on a 4 year curiculum many teachers have their masters
JM,
You are forgetting pre-requisites and the fact that some do have multiple degrees. IF you add the entire time they have spent in getting their education, SOME will have at least 8 or more years worth.

Regardless even if most k-12 teachers have just four years in, that is still an investment into their future that deserves something other then barely above poverty level pay. Can you at least agree with that?

Ovoiusly DC is having a hard time filling teaching spots because teachers can't afford to live and work there so they are now paying more to get them too. Why should the teacher be paid the same amount that uneducated union janitors make? If there is no incentive to get an education and become a teacher, then belive me, the shortage will only grow. That is all my point is.

Instead of commenting on that fact, all you can do is nit-pick and throw veiled insults about the actual number of years the average teacher may have gone to school?

Why not address the fact about the reasons why the teachers are now going to be paid more?

Dennis,
Teachers can do the same as well James.
They have, they are finding other jobs and leaving DC for better conditions and now the shortage there is bitting DC in the butt and they are forced to pay more. Alabama was facing the same thing, my freind the math teacher who had his masters in Math and a bioligy degree also quit teaching and now owns a sucessful floor cleaning business.

My cuzz in California went to school for just a bachlors to teach, he only lasted a year before he quit and is working for a big box store.
They do not have pleasent conditions to work under, and as more leave we will just be left with the dregs of the teachers who are just going to do the very minimum that they have to so they can collect a paycheck.

Do you not agree this country is not already heading down a path where quality teachers will be something of the past?

I am just wondering what this new healthcare will do to the doctors in this country!

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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04-09-2010 05:06 PM  8 years agoPost 19
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Dennis would rather pay the people who teach the next generation of this country minimum wage with no benefits.

Hard to attract the best talent with that kind of a deal...

Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!

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04-09-2010 05:13 PM  8 years agoPost 20
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Finally! Someone who agrees!

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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