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04-09-2010 02:42 AM  8 years agoPost 21
foodman392003

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Motorcity,Hockeytown ,USA

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Man I learned to fly back in the 70's. I have a 5 digit AMA there were no sims them. There fun and great tools but not ther same as the real thing. Much harder to go for it when there is your hard earned plane at risk. I wish we could just hit a button and it would be back on the run way ready to go again. I love this sight, have fun flying guys.

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04-09-2010 03:15 PM  8 years agoPost 22
Solmanbandit

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Tucson , AZ

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I like sims for some things. For instance, trying to flying backwards or inverted. Sims are helpful for getting the initial imprint. I wouldn't spend hours on one, but I do like using them. Only problem is that it doesn't prepare you for the pucker factor during real flight.

Trex 700E / Trex 500 ESP - Ikon/ HD 500 - Ikon 2/ Goblin 500 Ikon 2

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04-11-2010 05:59 PM  8 years agoPost 23
RescueRev

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Albany, Oregon

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first heli
I am also just starting out. I just got everything together used Rave 450 and a Futaba 8FGH TX and most of the necessary tools. I also use RealFlight to learn my orientation. I chose to start with the Rave 450 because of advice I have received from experience pilots. First and foremost if you can fly a 450 well you can fly anything and fixing a 450 is a lot cheaper then fixing a much bigger helicopter. Also when you move to a larger helicopter your confidence levels will be much better and you will have more fun flying (less tension) because of the 450 abilities. This made sense to me so I chose this path to follow. Maybe next summer (2011) I will get a bigger helicopter and let you know how my path worked out for me.
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04-11-2010 06:57 PM  8 years agoPost 24
leejax01

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Jax. Fl.

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You are definitely starting out with great equipment. I would say to add woodies and get to really learn yout tx to use the functions. The NextD Scorpion -6 is a great motor. Not sure how much replacement parts run on a Rave and that is why I fly Trex as parts are cheap everywhere.

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04-11-2010 08:56 PM  8 years agoPost 25
RescueRev

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Albany, Oregon

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first heli
I agree I find the TX intimidating. I chose the Rave because of the tail drive shaft. I know the belt drive tail rotors on the 450's are almost impossible to auto but the Rave autos very good. I wanted to learn how to auto before flying a bigger helicopter. I figured it would be cheaper in the long run. My used Rave came with the Scorpion-10 motor and I have no idea of the difference between the two. I just know when the man I bought it from flew if I was hooked!!!! What would you recommend for wood blades and where would you buy them?

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04-11-2010 10:04 PM  8 years agoPost 26
Solmanbandit

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Why do you want to use woodies?

Trex 700E / Trex 500 ESP - Ikon/ HD 500 - Ikon 2/ Goblin 500 Ikon 2

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04-11-2010 10:16 PM  8 years agoPost 27
leejax01

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I like woodies in crashes over fiber blades as woodies "should" cause less damage.

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04-11-2010 10:50 PM  8 years agoPost 28
Solmanbandit

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I've always ended up with about the same damage. For during the learning process. E-Bay carbon fiber blades are the way to go. 2 sets for $20 shipped and they hold up great in crashes. I don't like woodies because the plastic cover rips too easy they damage easy as well. Or if you plan on having hard lessons, you can go with fiberglass blades. I have a few sets that I won't be needing that I can sell cheap and have never been used.

Trex 700E / Trex 500 ESP - Ikon/ HD 500 - Ikon 2/ Goblin 500 Ikon 2

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04-11-2010 10:55 PM  8 years agoPost 29
Mputu

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Killeen, TX

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Yeap that's true

Fly hard, Land safe

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04-11-2010 11:00 PM  8 years agoPost 30
Mputu

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Killeen, TX

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I start out without a sims too, but now I wished that Istarte with the SIMS first, cutting down some mistake in front of your PC instaead of some money in the field. Besides it helps you compress 10 years of field training to few months. It is great training tool for this hobby. It's a MUST.

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04-12-2010 01:16 AM  8 years agoPost 31
leejax01

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I use Align Pro woodies. I had the opposite results, but maybe that is just how it is if the crash is hard enough as damage is damage. I mainly fly Trex because parts are local or next day and are really cheap thanks to clones. It isn't all that difficult to auto a Trex though.

I too believe to buy the best as early as possible because you get what you pay for.

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04-12-2010 01:48 AM  8 years agoPost 32
Solmanbandit

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Tucson , AZ

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Buying good electronics, all for it. Buying expensive blades while trying to learn can be costly due to the constant changes. While you are learning, you are not going to notice the difference in performance and you will save money. I just recently switched to Raddix blades ($46 a set). I've had to replace them once due to de-laminating, It hurts the pocket book to replace, but I am working on 3-D and I can tell the difference.

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04-12-2010 06:15 AM  8 years agoPost 33
fla heli boy

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cape coral, florida

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he's got a -10 motor, which screams out for bigger blades though.

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04-12-2010 07:25 AM  8 years agoPost 34
RescueRev

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Albany, Oregon

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first heli
I am using 350mm blades on the 450 with the -10 motor. I was told the bigger the blade area the easier to fly.Solmanbandit if your fiberglass blades are 350mm pm me with a price for what you have.

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04-12-2010 02:00 PM  8 years agoPost 35
Solmanbandit

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Never seen 350 mm blades before. I haven't look for them either. I find that the 325 mm are just fine.

Trex 700E / Trex 500 ESP - Ikon/ HD 500 - Ikon 2/ Goblin 500 Ikon 2

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04-12-2010 02:07 PM  8 years agoPost 36
Jgatorman

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Birmingham, AL

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I would have to strongly disagree with all of the people saying negative things about the sim. The sim teaches muscle memory and with either real flight or phoenix learning for a new pilot will be much easier.For a new pilot learning to hover and fly as slow as possible and in complete control while doing as such is invaluable. I am sure it is posssible to take it up and bang the sticks around and possibly keep it in the air but at that point you still are not "controlling the aircaft" The key to flying the sim and your actual heli is being able to fly slow and in control. You will find this to be very difficult but you will also find this will limit you crashes expodentially and decrease your learning curve immensely. Once you are able to control your aicraft in all orientations(and if you really want to learn fast inverted as well) you can move into fff and 3d much easier and much more cost effecient because you will not be able to get your aircraft into an uncomfortable orientation being as how you have become comfortable in all orientations already. Or you can learn the hard way like I did and continually empty your wallet and become the best and fastest helicopter rebuilder on the planet your choice. Unfortunately this hobby is no different then most things in life to become proficient you must have patience and discepline. Go slow young jedi and the force will be with you.

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04-16-2010 02:33 AM  8 years agoPost 37
trackemdown

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Central ,VA

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The sims are getting a bad rep here. It's a lot cheaper to crash on a sim and if you can't fly the sim, you'll certainly crash for real. The larger birds are more stable and cost more to fix. If you think the 450's are twitchy, try a 250. I have both plus a 90 and 50 size nitro's. The 450 is cheap to repair. My first heli was the HBK II and did basically the same thing you're describing. The parts are cheap and like everyone says here, you'll be a mechanic long before becoming a pilot. Soooooo true!! I travel extensively and take my 450's with me to fly in the hotel room. I won't even mention how much destruction I've done in the rooms. One day I'm going to start setting up a video camera so I can watch the stupid sh.. I do and have a good laugh.

Grabbem-n-baggem

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04-18-2010 11:20 PM  8 years agoPost 38
leejax01

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Jax. Fl.

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Sims are good, but don't get comfortable crashing on a SIM but take each crash as an actual crash. Don't not try something because you are scared of crashing, but perfect practice makes perfect and there will eventually have to be a first time. Also try and progress a particular move to actual flying when you get bored with it on the SIM( muscle memory) as real life flying with the jitters, wind and actual cost on the line will make you really rely on the training. Have a bail out plan before you try a new manuever and get familiar with rebuild and parts. Your heli may not fly like the SIM model and trying to progess SIM and reality flying as close together as safely possible will really help alot.

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