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04-06-2010 04:04 PM  8 years agoPost 21
Jgatorman

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I am so glad our Heli club allows airplanes and we all get along just fine. Our favorite rule is if you want drama you can have it, just not here!

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04-06-2010 04:17 PM  8 years agoPost 22
crofty

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I don't get this at all. It's all a matter of respect. Plankers were there first at our club. I treat them with respect and actually enjoy hanging out and chatting to the retired weekday fliers. A lot of them were pilots in the past and I enjoy the stories. Don't get much drama.

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04-06-2010 04:53 PM  8 years agoPost 23
sonny1526

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Drama is here for good!
True,when I started out in this hobby, I did get the impression that a few airplane pilots act like they own the public field. Rotary wings are getting more popular these days, and untill the flying clubs become more aware of this fact, just grin it and fly. Even so, I like the idea of the farmer clearing out several acreas for his very own flying field.

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04-06-2010 05:07 PM  8 years agoPost 24
ChrisMoore

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Bay Village, OH

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Even so, I like the idea of the farmer clearing out several acres for his very own flying field.
"If you build it, they will come"

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04-06-2010 06:42 PM  8 years agoPost 25
Andy.Kim

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Crofty, you said something that is so true. "Plankers have been there first and feel like they own the public fields"

That's where the problem comes from. They're "public" fields and there's no right for seniority over public facilities.

At least here in the northwest the heli pilots quietly left public fields and created their own private clubs. It was so bad that plankers intentionally tried to crash into helis.

I myself respect elders but it does not allow them seniority over public fields.

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04-06-2010 06:58 PM  8 years agoPost 26
Nycatt

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New York

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"Most" not all, but most older plank flyers are Heli haters because 1. they are set in their ways 2. flying Helis requires too many inputs at once and 3. hate new technology and don't care to learn it. If they could they would still have rabbit ears on their tvs. But I still love you Grandpa.




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04-06-2010 07:09 PM  8 years agoPost 27
rotormonkey

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Ottawa, ON - Canada

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That hasn't been my experience at all. I'd say almost all the fixed wing guys at our field are easy to get along with, laid back and show at least a passing interest in the rotary wing birds. That includes the old guys and young alike.

Frankly I think a lot of heli guys get bad vibes from one or two plankers and write them all off as jerks. It doesn't matter what you fly or what club you go to, there's gonna be a couple jerks. Sometimes more. You just gotta find out who you don't want to talk to, and don't talk to them.

I'm sure there are clubs out there just chalk full of these guys, but I imagine they're in the minority. For those who have only those clubs in the area to go to I honestly feel bad for ya. You're really missing out flying solo.

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04-06-2010 07:42 PM  8 years agoPost 28
Gearhead

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why he hates Helis,,
what I heard an Older Planker say why he hates Helis is because "every time they land you think they are done flying, then the Flyer goes and tweaks the Needle, then he goes back up,, then he lands again and again you think he is done flying but he tweaks the Needle again, and he goes back up" ,, then the next Planker next to him agreed,,

but I think for the most part it comes down to those 300 MPH Spinning Blades and all the tiny parts,, and some people just like what they like and they are not going to change, I love Wooden Boats, my brother hates them,,

I have to say for the most part we all get along very good at our club..

Jim
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04-06-2010 07:53 PM  8 years agoPost 29
ChrisMoore

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Bay Village, OH

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Maybe they hate helicopters because they dont require sandpaper and monokote? planker purists hate ARF's too, probably more. And they probably hate little foam RC planes because it makes our hobby look more like little toys to the general public. Anywyay, enough of my rant =)

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04-06-2010 07:58 PM  8 years agoPost 30
Carey

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Allentown USA

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If I had an RC club
Carey's Club Rules

#1 Have fun above all else.
#2 No Bullsh1t. (all must initial the no BS clause on their application)
#3 No Drama (Save the drama for your mama/wife/gf)
#4 If you repeatedly infringe on someone else's right to #1, you are in the sh1t house, and with a 2/3'rd's majority sent out on your ass.
#5 Be safe and cautious. See rule #4 for procedures on what happens if this rule is broken.

Anyone else want to add to it??

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04-06-2010 08:20 PM  8 years agoPost 31
jones007

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Monterey, CA - USA

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For several years I was the only heli pilot at my field, but then a couple of the fixed-wing pilots got helis, and they had a hard time getting usable flight time/space to learn FF, so they instigated a rule at the club whereby heli pilots (or plankers wishing to have more space to practice 3D) could put up a flag that would indicate a special flying time. The flag horizontal indicates free flying for all. The flag up at 45 degrees indicates a 15 minute warning for special flying, and after that 15 minute timeout the flag goes vertical for 15 minutes for heli pilots. Honestly, most of the time there aren't enough pilots at the field to warrant the use of the flag, and we all just take turns, but on the crowded days it is useful.

Our flying area is really too small for multiple flying sites, so fixed-wing and helis have to share the same space, at least for FFF. Fortunately we haven't had any people with animosity toward one group or the other. I'm sure this makes life more difficult.

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04-06-2010 08:32 PM  8 years agoPost 32
jones007

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Monterey, CA - USA

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This is getting slightly off-topic, but perhaps relevant here as it pertains to Carey's rules. What do other clubs do about people who become dangerous either due to age or poor building technique? We have one guy who's eyesight is waning. He's been in the club forever, and everyone likes him, but he's starting to lose control of his plane because of his vision, and recently had a plane crash into the shelter in the pit area. We have another guy who seems reluctant to move to modern radios with model memory, and he swaps radio gear from one model to another. He has repeatedly taken off with servos reversed or so far out of trim that the trims were insufficient to stabilize the plane - essentially the plane is unflyable. Is there a politically correct way to deal with these situations? Ultimately we'll have to do something or there will be an injury.

I think this is not unlike the situation with elderly drivers who's eyesight is failing or with people that drive vehicles that just aren't safe on the road. Do other clubs have some kind of a safety inspection of aircraft, at least make sure the surfaces move the right way, and/or something like an annual flight aptitude test? If so, how did you set this up without offending people, or was that not a concern? Perhaps it shouldn't be a concern when safety is on the line.

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04-06-2010 10:25 PM  8 years agoPost 33
JasonJ

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North Idaho

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what I heard an Older Planker say why he hates Helis is because "every time they land you think they are done flying, then the Flyer goes and tweaks the Needle, then he goes back up,, then he lands again and again you think he is done flying but he tweaks the Needle again, and he goes back up" ,, then the next Planker next to him agreed,,
Ha ha. It's too bad you couldn't have pointed out that the consistent and repeated touch-and-go's the airplane guys do is the same thing. Nothing quite like thinking they are done and up it goes again. Things are cool at my club. Often times they'll ask if I am taking the helicopter up and I'll either do it or tell them "next time". Everyone is cool about taking turns.

I bought a 40 size trainer plane last month cheap and after about 5 minutes of back and forth runway practice I took off, flew for awhile, and landed the plane almost perfectly. I have since flown it several times and I can tell one of the older guys wasn't 100% happy about it. He had wanted to do all sorts of buddy boxing and all that other stuff and it never happened. All the other plane guys thinks it's cool. Helicopters are still #1 for me, but it's nice to do a relaxing round of fixed wing, make that sweet landing, and be all nice and calm. Then more rotary action.

I'll admit, it is nice to have that trainer plane. It removed any thought anyone had about being one up on me because I "couldn't" fly a plane. One guy did wonder why the model is named "Planker" in my DX7 when he was looking at it.

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04-06-2010 11:42 PM  8 years agoPost 34
max232

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Pensacola

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Ironically,the drama at our club at the moment is between plankers. our club has recently allowed gliders to fly the hill north of our runways and the guys just place a card with their phone # in the freq slot.

So if someone wants to fly on that freq. they have to call them and work it out. this has stirred up a 2 year old freqency mishap that happened between a glider guy and a planker,and they are acting like 3 year olds so all this i bickering about rules has spilled over to the rest of us.

Yesterday i got yelled at for starting my heli on the table instead of on the flight line. this was never a problem till now. they also have slots to put your ama card in the channel your using, except i use 2.4 they still insist i put my card in, and i keep forgeting to retreive my card and have lost a couple of them

I know these things are trivial, but i think its going to get worse before it gets better. anyway our monthly meeting is tonight......should be entertaining to say the least just my rant.

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04-07-2010 12:21 AM  8 years agoPost 35
Ace Dude

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It's unfortunate that some clubs are run and managed so poorly.

The average age of some of some of the clubs that I'm familiar with has to be 60+ so I think these clubs will be hurting for members in a few years.

  

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04-07-2010 01:04 AM  8 years agoPost 36
Andy.Kim

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Seattle, WA

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What's a frequency card??

Seriously, I don't see the point of putting up my AMA card for 2.4 users. It's pointless, isn't it?

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04-07-2010 01:15 AM  8 years agoPost 37
broggyr

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Naugy, CT

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Seriously, I don't see the point of putting up my AMA card for 2.4 users. It's pointless, isn't it?
Not at our club. We have a 4-aircraft limit. If there are 4 aircraft in the air, you wait. You put your card up to show you are 'next'.

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04-07-2010 01:25 AM  8 years agoPost 38
Ace Dude

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Seriously, I don't see the point of putting up my AMA card for 2.4 users. It's pointless, isn't it?
For frequency control it is. However, for many clubs it also serves as your membership ID card. If it's a large club it's difficult to know who's a member in good standing and who isn't.

  

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04-07-2010 02:15 AM  8 years agoPost 39
USAF Retired

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A lot of pilots and clubs as a whole forget the Fact this is still a Hobby...Keep-It-Fun!

Just my 2 cents...

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04-07-2010 02:26 AM  8 years agoPost 40
Ace Dude

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Some don't even know the meaning of the word fun. I've seen one where the lack of creativity and innovation is mind boggling. The club motto is: "because that's the way we've always done it". Sure enough, every year it was the same old thing with the same old disappointing results as the previous year.

  

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