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04-05-2010 10:37 PM  8 years agoPost 1
haggy38

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Hi guys, I´ve been watching some scales videos and there is a lot of electric ones and it seems that they are increasing very fast, of course this is my personal opinion but they look like a cheap toy, not real.... I´m still flying my scales, nitro and gas and they really "feel" like the big ones. I accept the advantage and simplicity of electrics, I got Trex 600ESP, and love it but,never will fit a fuselage.

I really wish that nitro and gas scale helis never going to disappear.

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Gustavo

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04-05-2010 11:40 PM  8 years agoPost 2
iHover

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Your seeing a lot of sport scale electrics. They are not fully detailed super accurate scale helis.There are plenty of "real scale electrics" I've seen several vario scalers. There are a lot of benfits to going electric in a scale heli.

You had me at Hover

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04-06-2010 03:44 AM  8 years agoPost 3
haggy38

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You´re right "real scale electrics" but the fuel, engine tune, smell and the sound is everything.Electric got benefits but they don't look and sound real in flight.

Gustavo

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04-06-2010 04:31 AM  8 years agoPost 4
Copter Doctor

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while i have been a hardcore nitro flyer for the last 22 years, i have to say that the electrics do offer plenty of realism over the nitro birds.
well they are quieter leaving more sound of blades to be heard,just like the real helis. a scale electric built utilizing the centrifugal clutch sounds just like a real turbine powered heli spooling up.
electrics get rid of the smoke that distract from the scale appearance. the smoke on the real ones arent very visible and then its black, not white. electrics in my oppinion allow easier scale cockpit area for scale since theres more room in the rear to hide stuff since the engine and tank are no longer there.
now i know it sounds like i am defending the electrics but i am not. although i have started building electric scalers, i wont ever give up my nitro birds. i agree that the smaller electrics look like toys and is why i do not favor the 450 or 500 size scalers much. the 600's are the minimum for me.
electric power is here to stay though and some amazing things can be done with them. Just ask my buddy Darrell Sprayberry. he has a 1/4 scale jetranger that is electric powered.

drive a rotary, fly a rotorcraft

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04-06-2010 07:08 AM  8 years agoPost 5
fla heli boy

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yep - go look at bwellmaker's S76. I think especially with scale, electric would be better. Don't have to clean all the oil off the nooks and cranies. That being said, I prefer nitro in pod and boom.
PS - that is one SWEET Ranger!!!

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04-06-2010 07:48 AM  8 years agoPost 6
Rodan

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You´re right "real scale electrics" but the fuel, engine tune, smell and the sound is everything.Electric got benefits but they don't look and sound real in flight.
Yup, the weedwhacker buzz, and smoke trail are pretty realistic...

I'm with Emile on the smaller electrics, as they just don't have the presence in the air, and often look too 'flighty'. However, 600 and up size electrics have good presence, and IMHO, are much more realistic in sound and look than a nitro powered bird belching white smoke and sounding like a gaggle of pissed off hornets... At this point, I have one nitro scaler left, and it's either going to get converted to electric, or sold...

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04-06-2010 10:26 AM  8 years agoPost 7
darrens

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I have to agree, as most scale machines are replicas of full size turbines, the electric machines sound way closer and at least they don't look like they have just been shot down!!!!!

He who dies with the most toys is the winner!

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04-06-2010 03:04 PM  8 years agoPost 8
Copter Doctor

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I really wish that nitro and gas scale helis never going to disappear.
Gustavo i am with you there. i like my nitro birds too. i have several still and some i have no intent to convert to electric. i have several that i like to fly very much for well over 15 mins and i hate giving up that vkind of duration for electric power. i dont like the idea of flying on a time limit so to speak, especially when i am getting pics and videos made.
my arguments with electrics usually involves the smoke and oily cleanup doesnt bother me, i am used to it after 23 yrs. the same goes for the smoke trail, noise and field equipment i carry. the newer generation of pilots have an option for convenience with electrics us old schoolers never had and thats cool. its also funny when i grab my electric out of the pile to go fly it and bring it to my field box to start it and talk about the feeling of forgetting to do something when you walk out with your electric heli and its awfully quiet
then when an old scooler like me tries to extend the antenna on his 2.4 tranny and hope no one saw you, you know you gotta adjust

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04-06-2010 04:01 PM  8 years agoPost 9
darrens

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I get 14 mins out of my electric Alouette.......electrics have moved on too you know

He who dies with the most toys is the winner!

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04-06-2010 05:48 PM  8 years agoPost 10
haggy38

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Well guys you see? Electrics are here and they are going to stay! I Really enjoy all the process with nitro and gas, refueling, start the engine, tune it.... even cleaned it! I'm towards now with gas, very clean and can fly almost 30min per tank!! Maybe is like you said Copter Doctor, we are oldies in extinction.

Regards,
Gustavo

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04-06-2010 07:00 PM  8 years agoPost 11
Copter Doctor

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.......electrics have moved on too you know
Darren, yeah i know it. my argument is soon absolete.
i do hope the electrics dont make the nitro absolete however.

drive a rotary, fly a rotorcraft

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04-06-2010 07:15 PM  8 years agoPost 12
darrens

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I don't think they will, ther's sometime no replacement for fuel, fly, repeat.....especially where 3D is concerned. But for scale sound and appearance, I think the nitro days are numbered

He who dies with the most toys is the winner!

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04-06-2010 07:39 PM  8 years agoPost 13
Héli Suisse

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I think the nitro days are numbered
So do I.

Best regards Darren

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04-06-2010 10:50 PM  8 years agoPost 14
Copter Doctor

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true especially if the price of fuel keep going up like it's been

drive a rotary, fly a rotorcraft

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04-06-2010 11:28 PM  8 years agoPost 15
darrens

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Thank you Heli Suisse, you too my friend.

My scale helis are either turbine or electric (turbine wannabbes!), but I still love having a thrash with my Vibe/OS55 and the ability to fly as much as I want. However, if you get the electric set up just right i.e. high enough motor rpm then it sounds just like a turbine, well close anyway and no smoke.
I have nearly finished my robbe Aloutte conversion which is the big 1.8m one. I can use cheap 10C cells as it is HV and does not pull much current, so expense is not an issue. I have a clutch so have a nice start sequence, motor before blades.
ignore the flying in this vid as it was a test shake down, but just have a listen to the sound, it is "quite" close to that of a turbine, it whistles a bit!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb9JibNUGPU

Oh, and 12-14 mins flight time on 10S 8000mah with pleanty of power

He who dies with the most toys is the winner!

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04-07-2010 12:36 AM  8 years agoPost 16
haggy38

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Agree with you darrens, maybe the gas helis still got more time, there is a brand new 50 gas size by Century that can fit without a problem any fuselage. Electric will mark the compass in this hobby in the next future, just see the batteries prices drooping like flies....

Regards,
Gustavo

PS: I love nitro and Gas

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04-07-2010 12:49 AM  8 years agoPost 17
haggy38

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What do you think about this? It's a beauty!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9ofpN9Mwqk&feature=fvw

Gustavo

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04-07-2010 12:57 AM  8 years agoPost 18
darrens

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Yeah, sweet. Petrol machines work really well and if a Bell47 or R22 they sound quite scale, but would sound really odd in a 500E for example, this is where electric comes into play.

He who dies with the most toys is the winner!

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04-07-2010 01:05 AM  8 years agoPost 19
jackheli

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but,never will fit a fuselage.
What do you mean? That there are no fuselages that would fit?

It's easy to find an excuse to do wrong. Hard is not to find an excuse to do right.

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04-07-2010 02:27 AM  8 years agoPost 20
haggy38

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I meant that my trex 600ESP will stay on his original canopy and never on a scale fuselage.

Gustavo

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