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04-05-2010 02:03 PM  8 years agoPost 41
ChrisMoore

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I think I am just an electric hater because I cant afford that new equipment but I would buy it if I could.

I use a .50 SX-H non hyper with 15% fuel and I get a 10-1/2 minute flight on my Raptor 50 Titan and still have a full header tank of fuel. With my 330cc fuel tank (I think thats the right size) I get 11.5 tanks of fuel from a gallon. That amounts to a hair over 120 minutes of flying per gallon, that is two hours of flying per gallon, almost exactly.

For a case of fuel I pay about $90 at my LHS and I have $5 off per $25 I spend (coupons from spending $50+)...so that means I pay $75 or so bucks after tax for four gallons of fuel. That $18.75 for two hours of flying, or 15.6 cents per minute, about $1.56 per ten minute flight. I suppose I need to include the cost of glow plugs?

I need an electric guy to tell me what the cost is for one minute of flying...thats probably the simplest way to compare. I would expect the cost of a generator/car w/battery and the fuel to power said generator to be included in the cost. Also, the cost of the charger that is required for the LiPo battery, ESC? We can ignore cost of wire/plugs/solder (because nitro's use fuel tubing, filters, and clunks, sometimes expensive clunks).

As for carbon footprint...footprints need to include manufacturing, disposal impact on environment.

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04-05-2010 02:08 PM  8 years agoPost 42
heli-cuzz

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Nitro Rules!!!
Burning nitro smells soooo much better than a burning li-po.

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04-05-2010 02:32 PM  8 years agoPost 43
oteskate

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I think it's all just a preference. I personally enjoy both. I have all sized helis from 450's to 50's and will be getting my first 90 shortly. My 450 and 500 are electric, but everything from my very first heli (Raptor 30), many years ago and now my entire fleet of 50's, they're all nitro.

I remember when the 600E came out for the first time and I saw what people were paying for the "brick" lipos. WOW! There was NO WAY I was getting into that. Now with the lower costs of lipos, in general, larger electrics have become more affordable, and I'm seeing more and more pilots going that direction. I also know many electric-only pilots that enjoy the hobby because of the "cleanliness" and don't like dealing with nitro, either because of the "mess" that nitro causes or simply because they've never really learned about nitro, being that they got into the hobby via the electric route in the beginning.

I'll be building up an FAI machine this season and will be going electric on that, simply because of the advantages that they hold for that type of flying and because it's the way everyone is going, thus it will eventually dominate the FAI field.

Jeff
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04-05-2010 03:25 PM  8 years agoPost 44
McKrackin

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The generator,car battery etc etc costs only count for people who have to go somewhere to fly and have only a few batteries.

I fly 99% of my time at home just like many many E flyers.

The added cost of my electric bill to charge at least one lipo at a time all day long is not noticable.Practically non existant.

I can fly for several hours on the equipment I have.

While it's true E helis have a dangerous lipo on board that can cause a fire,most nitros do too.After their lipo burns,it has some good nitro fuel to burn as well.lol...Two different color flames/one fire.

Don't get me wrong,I want a nitro but can't afford one.Ironic huh?
All the starter gear and a $400-$500 motor is just not in my future this season anyway.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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04-05-2010 03:47 PM  8 years agoPost 45
hootowl

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So what is a cost comparison for a 90 size all up heli? Nitro -vs- electric? Doesn't the electric motor plus ESC hit pretty hard.... you haven't even bought the batteries yet.

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04-05-2010 03:58 PM  8 years agoPost 46
McKrackin

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I never had a .90 before.Love to.

My Trex 600 ESP motor was $100.
The ESC was $90.
Batteries are under $90 each.Three batteries will get close to 500 flights.

The motor should last forever with a little maintenance.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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04-05-2010 05:23 PM  8 years agoPost 47
Mark Ryder

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I was looking at the videos and pics from the Birmingham funfly and noticed the large majority of pilots were flying nitro helicopters. Is this just a continuation of the "old habits die hard" or are there advantages of nitro over electric?

i realize the size of the helicopters dictate 600 or 700 series birds, but is there something i am missing?
Another issue with large electrics and pro demo pilots is that you cannot take the larger batteries on board an airline. When travelling to fun fies (not driving) you have to ship your batteries ahead of time.

http://safetravel.dot.gov/index_batteries.html
http://safetravel.dot.gov/whats_new_batteries.html
Lithium Ion Batteries with over 25 grams ELC are forbidden in air travel.
http://safetravel.dot.gov/definitions.html#lithium_ion

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04-05-2010 05:51 PM  8 years agoPost 48
McKrackin

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I did not know that.Hmmm....

I literally never use the word literally right.

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04-05-2010 05:58 PM  8 years agoPost 49
ChrisMoore

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Don't get me wrong,I want a nitro but can't afford one.Ironic huh?
All the starter gear and a $400-$500 motor is just not in my future this season anyway.
Sure is ironic!

Chris. AMA 497715 IRCHA 3351

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04-05-2010 06:48 PM  8 years agoPost 50
Carey

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The Fun Fly events always have a ton of 50's and a ton of 90's. It's just the way it is. Each year I make sure to take note of the general numbers and each year I say 'This is the year it switches over to more electrics'.

I wonder if this will be the case this season.*

*Probably not this year but yeah still looking around.**

** Shut it, I have a 12s, 6s, and 3s e-heli as well as nitro birds.

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04-05-2010 08:15 PM  8 years agoPost 51
Richardmid1

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People will always see the buy now pay later option as the cheaper option which is what you have with a nitro heli. With a big electric heli you need a big up front payment.

Li-po's, motors and esc's vary in price hugely compared to the price of nitro fuel and I.C. engines which is why you cant do a 'price per minute' comparison.

Li-po's can be ruined in only a few flights but so can a nitro engine! Both need knowledge and experience to get the most out of them.

Another thing to throw in the mix which has been covered in another topic is failures, im one of the ones who hasn't had much luck with nitro helis due to in flight failures, im sure im not the only one, so there is that to consider in the price comparison.

I have spent far more money over the years on nitro helis than electric helis and ive had far more electric helis than nitro.

I have also always sold on my li-po's when I have sold my helis. You cant sell burnt nitro fuel!

60% of the time, it works every time!

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04-05-2010 08:35 PM  8 years agoPost 52
LonR

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Theres more chicks that like nitro and fly it over electric.You nerds are missing out LOL,joking,joking

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04-06-2010 12:06 AM  8 years agoPost 53
MMarshall

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I think this whole nitro vs electric thing is too generic as a direct comparison.

Having learned on and flown nitro over the last 10 odd years I have had a love hate relationship with nitro motors. Being an engineer I loved the tinkering with carbs and such but being a heli pilot I hated hot starts, no starts, autorotations due to burnt glow plugs, bad fuel lines ect... With electrics I miss the tinkering and all but not the unplanned autos and tinkering just to fly, I just plug in and fly.

Last year I invested in a Trex 600E and a few hobby king batteries (3) and a single charger capable of charging the 6's batteries at 2 C
I paid $600 for a used 600CF ready to fly, $80 for the charger and $300 for the batteries for a grand total of $980 in my electric quest.
I flew it roughly 80 flight last season progessing from mild 3d to harder 3d as I got more comfortable with the heli averaging 5 mins + flight times.

My field is at a nature preserve and we fly both nitro and electrics there but a neat feature we put in last year was a solar powered charging station capable of charging my larger batteries for basically free. Needless to say more people are flying electric planes and helis due to it now.

So for me there is no additional equipment to bring just my 1 charger and my batteries.

With my nitro helis it was a starter, starter battery, charger for flight pack, fuel and fuel pump.

So for me because of my local fields solar charging station electric makes more sense as it is easier with less mess, and now I am using the $85 Blue Lipo's 6s 5000 mah batteries so its getting even cheaper for me.

I am going all electric and not looking back... but again thats due to my situation, had we not installed the charging station I might be singing a different tune.

Mike

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04-06-2010 12:19 AM  8 years agoPost 54
Carey

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I have to ask... what does this have to do with Fun Fly Events?

Don't get caught up in the global N vs E thing on this thread folks!

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04-06-2010 12:25 AM  8 years agoPost 55
Steve Cochrane

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And the can of worms is getting bigger.

Steve Cochrane (Fullpitch)
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04-06-2010 12:30 AM  8 years agoPost 56
Mapleleafs

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I was looking at the videos and pics from the Birmingham funfly and noticed the large majority of pilots were flying nitro helicopters. Is this just a continuation of the "old habits die hard" or are there advantages of nitro over electric?

i realize the size of the helicopters dictate 600 or 700 series birds, but is there something i am missing?
I think it has to do with what Mark said but also nitro's have alot more presence in the air(except .90 electric) they have smoke pooring out of them and make alot of noise.

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04-06-2010 01:42 AM  8 years agoPost 57
Yug

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There is no question that nitros do have much more presence. That is, in my view, why they rule over electrics regardless of the blistering and instantaneous performance of electrics for a few short minutes.
The only reason I favour electrics is that that nitro engines often need bearing replacement after 3 or 4 gallons. That represents just a weeks flying for the diehards.

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04-06-2010 02:55 AM  8 years agoPost 58
LonR

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Yug
The only reason I favour electrics is that that nitro engines often need bearing replacement after 3 or 4 gallons. That represents just a weeks flying for the diehards.
The only way a nitro would need bearings every 3-4 gallons is if that person can't tune a motor right.If the motor is tuned right the bearings will last longer than the ring.My motors do and im hard on them.

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04-06-2010 03:39 AM  8 years agoPost 59
Mutt

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nitro engines often need bearing replacement after 3 or 4 gallons
Now that is a bunch of hog wash. I hav nitro engines that have so many gallons through them I cant even remember how many and no bearing replacements.

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04-06-2010 03:51 AM  8 years agoPost 60
Rob43

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Many of us enjoy all helis electric, nitro, big small, but I believe the answer to the original question is that nitro is still presently the main stream of 600mm and larger sized rc helicopters, and it's really no more complicated than that. Pros and cons either way, but there's no denying that EP hasn't quite PROLIFERATED the market yet for the larger sized birds. Quite a few guys are expressing interest, but there are many hold outs to nitro. Perhaps EP will in increase it's market share of the larger helis the future. Demo flights by factory sponsored pilots done with nitro due to size alone to create a great visual presentation. Not only does there have to be an increase in the product offering of larger EP birds and support equipment, but they will need to gain a significant increase in market share to surpass the nitro contingent.

Rob

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