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04-04-2010 06:02 PM  10 years ago
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Strat135

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Got me the Phoenix Sim
Well I was able to get a sim and it is a lot harder than I thought! Hope I can get the hang of it, I'd hate to have to just stare at my heli when its gets here!

Is the sim so realistic that you have to adjust the trim everytime it resets?

I'm finding out I'm pretty good at accidently doing some cool looking stunts that always end up with flying a perfectly good chopper into the ground! LoL

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04-04-2010 06:19 PM  10 years ago
george0079

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You shouldn't have to touch the trim at all.Hell... I can fix that.
Uh oh..
Nope.
It's ***ked!!!
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04-04-2010 06:24 PM  10 years ago
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Seems a little tougher than RF but that will help in real
life flying!
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04-04-2010 07:53 PM  10 years ago
Strat135

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Well its good to hear real flying may be a little easier. Crashing all the time was starting to make me wonder what I have gotten myself into. Do you even know how to fly this thing? NO!! Aww...Crap
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04-04-2010 11:03 PM  10 years ago
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Ahh,real flying is not easier then the simulator.Thats for-sure!MAAC#77677 Medicated daily for your protection
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04-04-2010 11:29 PM  10 years ago
Roundwords

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Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if your crashing in the sim your gonna crash in real life too. Only solution is practice, practice and more practice.
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04-05-2010 03:42 AM  10 years ago
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Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if your crashing in the sim your gonna crash in real life too. Only solution is practice, practice and more practice.
True, and nicely put.



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04-05-2010 01:18 PM  10 years ago
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I highly recommend putting in some exponential in the model setup window thing. I had to do that to get it to feel like my heli in real life and it really helps settle the helicopter down.

And seriously, the Sim helps. I think we all need to convince our wives /significant others that the closer to real life the SIM experience is the less we will crash and the more money we will save not having to buy new parts, etc. And the best way to make the SIM experience more real is to have a HUGE TV or projector and screen to make the SIM life-sized! I don't think that would fly with my Mrs., but I can dream here on RunRyder.com!
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04-05-2010 01:51 PM  10 years ago
ttsingram

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Seems a little tougher than RF but that will help in real
life flying!
Well its good to hear real flying may be a little easier
Hey Strat, I believe he was refering to the Real Flite simulator in that statement.

Chris hit it on the head, I had to modify my Phoenix models also. They were way too sensitive.
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04-05-2010 04:13 PM  10 years ago
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And the best way to make the SIM experience more real is to have a HUGE TV or projector and screen to make the SIM life-sized!
I'm not sure if it makes it more "real" but it does give it some WOW factor while flying.

And no, flying the real thing is not easier than the sim at all! With the sim, there is no pucker factor. However you can add wind and other things to make flying in the sim more difficult but it still will be easier than with the real thing.
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04-05-2010 11:29 PM  10 years ago
Strat135

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Well, after reading these new responses I guess I am gonna have to stare at my copter for a good bit.. lol I can't afford to crash to many times!

Whoops on the RF abreviation haha..I am having some sim woes. I saw that I shouldn't have to touch the trim, so if I got the weather set on dead calm when I throttle up the heli shouldn't want to pitch in either direction or roll either direction should it?

I'll look at the exponential setting, what does that do? Oh btw the idea with gettin a huge TV sounds awesome! Convinced the wife to let me get the sim that way, maybe it'll work with the TV!

Thanks!!

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04-07-2010 01:12 PM  10 years ago
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I had the RealFlight G3.5 and after playing around on my friends Phoenix I had to have it. I picked it up two days ago, and the auto training is all I've been messing with I'm impressed. Wish I would have gotten it before winter.....
I love my tools and toys, but Phoenix is the best investment I've made so far,I cant crash it or break it, and it will always be there. Its as close to the real deal as it gets IMO
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04-07-2010 02:53 PM  10 years ago
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I saw that I shouldn't have to touch the trim, so if I got the weather set on dead calm when I throttle up the heli shouldn't want to pitch in either direction or roll either direction should it?
Due to the rudder pushing against the rotation of the main rotor the heli will usually get pushed in one direction. Depending on the rotation this could be either left or right. However, to my knowlege it is typically to your left when the tail is facing you. It is also not uncommon to see a heli slightly leaning to the right in a hover.
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04-07-2010 05:22 PM  10 years ago
ttsingram

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I saw that I shouldn't have to touch the trim, so if I got the weather set on dead calm when I throttle up the heli shouldn't want to pitch in either direction or roll either direction should it?
Yes and no. You should not have to touch the trim, but on the other hand any helicopter, perfectly balanced and trimed will always want to move. That is the nature of helicopters, real or RC. And a good sim will reflect this.
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04-07-2010 06:32 PM  10 years ago
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Getting a little better
I think I'm slowly getting used to the way a heli likes to want to move. I can do a "ok" job at a wobbly hover lol. I brought the sim to work cause some of the other guys I talked to are thinkin bout getting into the hobby as well. I showed them the controls did a decent hover, landed and handed off the control.

They thought it was amazing I could get it to stay in the air, only one of them got it off the ground.

I still have trouble wrapping my mind aroubnd using both sticks to keep it steady.

Thanks for all the responses, my heli comes in today!

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04-07-2010 09:31 PM  10 years ago
Fnity

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Congrats
Take it easy on the real one.... I would recommend you stick with the sim until you have got the hover down before attempting to take your real one up. Same with any new maneuvers...forward flight and so on, get it down on the sim to were you can do it consistently without any wrong inputs or second guessing yourself. That's the beauty about the sim. If you have any heli guys around, have them help ya, always helps to have someone check out your heli especially when you're new to the hobby. All it takes is that one loose bolt or wrong setting on the radio. More than anything have fun! Enjoy building your first heli, you will never forget the first one
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04-07-2010 09:33 PM  10 years ago
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Strat135 what heli did you get???
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04-07-2010 10:35 PM  10 years ago
Strat135

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I got the Honey Bee CP3. Its an RTF, hope its gonna be fun. I've read quite a few good reviews and watched some vids of people flying them. Stuff I wouldn't even know know where to begin how to do. Loops and inverted hovering and such. Nothing like the tumbling flipping tricks like some of the videos on here, but still pretty cool.

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04-08-2010 03:37 AM  10 years ago
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Awesome! Sim, sim, and more sim as it's cheaper than parts! Also like what was already said. Before you try something new on your real heli, do it in the sim a ton until you got it down very well. That way when you go to do it for real, it'll be second nature.

Here is an awesome post as to why sim is so important. It is on another forum but still a good read in my opinion.

http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=204186

Even though the heli is "rtf" it is always a good idea to double check everything in the setup on the head, etc as things happen during shipping. Plus as one person told me. "Do you really want to trust your $$$ heli that was put together by someone getting paid 10 cents an hour to build?" Not only that, but you also get to learn how things are put together for when you need to fix it.

Enjoy your heli, the sim, and happy flying!
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