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HomeAircraftHelicopterSafety - RC Helis are not toys › I am just getting too old, or what???
04-27-2010 10:57 PM  8 years agoPost 21
bfaulguy

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Burlington, NJ

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There are just those individuals who don't read/care what we say here, and will do what they please. If they want to circle pedestrians and terrorize the neighborhood with a 90 sized machine, then they're going to do it until getting sued into submission. I am, and always have been, a park/renegade flyer. But, I do so responsibly, and fly appropriate models for the location and conditions (ie, a small electric foam plank in a small park, no soccer games in progress). Issues like the one we've been talking about, or like this idiot last year http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpveweAqGYM will ultimately lead to our demise. Not sure there's much we can do to prevent it, which is the sad part. Such flyers are unstoppable, much like the ants that tear up my lawn, or the Taliban. You can crush a few before they do any damage, but others just keep popping up. We'll just have to wait and see.

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04-28-2010 10:02 PM  8 years agoPost 22
racin06

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I'm 47 and have been flying helis for 3 1/2 years and airplanes for 15 months. I fly quite a bit at a local elementary school which has 12 soccer fields and 2 football fields. I just use common sense when people are around...etablishing my own flight line and adjusting my flying patterns in order to keep others behind me. If I can't fly with other people behind me, I simply don't fly.

I have some other safety rules that I have established for myself, such as always wearing safety glasses when flying. Also, I never fly anything larger than a 450 size heli when flying alone. Airplanes...I'll fly alone. Just my personal safety preferences...not for everyone, but these work for me.

Yes, I believe we older guys do think about safety more than the younger guys. This is just a matter of maturity. I know that when I was in my 20s, I thought I was invincible .

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04-29-2010 07:46 PM  8 years agoPost 23
Rogman88

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I used to take my heli off within 10 feet of myself and check tracking etc... Now I take off around 25-30ft. Why? Experience. I had a main blade grip come loose not once but twice (separate incidences months appart) due to crappy no name loc tight and blades went flying 50 feet in separate directions (450 heli). I wouldn't have wanted to have been hit by one of those things as it's quite impressive to see how fast and far they fly!

Second close call. I was spotting for my buddy who was taking his 450 off and thought his piro dual rate was one when he jammed on the left stick for a controlled piro a few feet off the ground. The heli spun around much faster then he expected and the heli did the Guided missile thing straight at my face. I chose to dive onto the ground as the 450 blades whipped violently within inches of my head. That scared the crap out of me. He regained control and was able to fly it on out, but I have a new found respect for flying blades and how quickly they can come into a persons personal space!

Third thing. I guy came to fly at our field from out of state. He decides he's going to launch his combat airplane from the pit area Wind catches the wing and tips the plane over and flies right into the headlight on my truck that was parked in the parkinglot behind a fence!

The number one safety measure we have a pilots is distance. The more distance between people/property and heli's the safer we are going to be. This obviously isn't fool proof as helis can fly backwards into crowds as we saw in china, but I do believe in putting safe distances between people, expensive things and flying propellers!

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04-29-2010 08:31 PM  8 years agoPost 24
dicharry

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Memory goes second and reflexes go third.

When people fear the government you have tyranny, when the government fears the people ,freedom

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05-01-2010 09:51 PM  8 years agoPost 25
JasonJ

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The number one safety measure we have a pilots is distance.
Actually, based on the post you wrote, the number one safety measure needs to be checking your helicopter, equipment, and observing common safety practices. You used bad loctite and didn't do periodic checks, that is why the blades came off, not once, but twice. Your buddy didn't make sure his switches and settings were correct before takings off and doing fancy stuff. Combat airplane guy failed to follow even the most basic flying field practices.

I hate to be the one to say this, but most injury incidents can be traced right back to operator failures. I'm not perfect, but I have never had a crash or failure caused by anything but my own lack of talent. Distance is irrelevant if you are not doing the right thing in the first place. Don't get me wrong, distance isn't a bad thing, but these things move fast.

As far as flying with other people around, I don't, except at the flying field. I bought the house I bought for the land out back. I can't hurt anyone but myself there. I am also more careful at the field. I would hate to get someone hurt by flying irresponsibly.

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05-03-2010 09:35 PM  8 years agoPost 26
Rogman88

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I hate to be the one to say this, but most injury incidents can be traced right back to operator failures
Hence the reason for adding a little distance between flying blades and people/property.
Distance is irrelevant if you are not doing the right thing in the first place.
If distance is irrelevant then flying a perfectly tuned helicopter inverted less than one foot over your head is a perfectly safe thing to do then right? Of course the helicopter should be operating perfectly first by a competent pilot right

All the reasons posted by me were to show that there are many different ways that heli's can get away from pilots. The one practice if anyone is to do one thing, is to put distance between flying lawnmowers and people/property. But hey, if you feel comfortable with flying your perfectly tuned heli inverted over your head, then go ahead. Distance between yourself and your rotor blades is irrelevant right?
Actually, based on the post you wrote, the number one safety measure needs to be checking your helicopter, equipment, and observing common safety practices
Umm. That's not one, that's three...so what is your number one safety measure anyway? Checking your helicopter? Checking your equipment? Or Observing common safety practices? I would argue that keeping a safe distance from helis would be the number one safety practice. Just so you know what my rebuttle is going to be.

This is going to be an interesting debate.

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05-06-2010 12:58 AM  8 years agoPost 27
USAF Retired

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Very interesting stories...just don't want to be apart of them directly!

Terry

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05-31-2010 08:06 PM  8 years agoPost 28
JasonJ

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Just so you know what my rebuttle is going to be.
No need, I mentioned distance being a good thing in my post.
Don't get me wrong, distance isn't a bad thing, but these things move fast.
But it isn't the end all be all. You can only fly so far away. The reality is, helicopters can be difficult to see, so you end up flying them close in. The average "safe" distance most people fly is not that safe when you think about it. I consider myself a safe pilot and consider the distance I fly to be safe, but it is still close enough to go into the pits or wherever very quickly. It's not like a plank where I can go way up and away. You just can't get a helicopter far enough away to be really really safe and still see the damn thing. I can't anyway. So you have to stack the odds in you favor by doing good checks, making sure everything is in good shape.

So no, I don't think distance is number one. You can't get it far enough away and still see it well.

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06-28-2010 06:45 PM  8 years agoPost 29
Rogman88

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If someone is flying a heli in the same proximity as your child and you had one thing to protect your child from the heli. You are saying that you'd rather have a good preflight check and that makes the heli safe enough for your child to be say...20 feet from the heli while its bouncing around? I'm sorry, but I'm going to keeps my kids behind the flight lines and I don't care how good the flight check of the heli flying is. The bottomline is that they are unpredictable. My buddies flybar broke off yesterday at the fieled and went whirling across the sky. No amount of flight check would have seen the metal fatique of that flybar. Another buddy thought he was in normal mode when he was trying to set his heli on the ground causing his landing gear to break off and suck up into the main rotors causing them to fly very close to us standing on the flight line. Once again, fortunately the heli was far enough away that injury was minimized. You can have good flight checks but give me safe distance first, and a good preflight check second. Hey, to each his own.

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10-29-2010 03:35 AM  8 years agoPost 30
Ladymagic

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This is a very touchy subject for many as I can see. Especially for those who have been directly affected by the carelessness and lack of common sense of some pilots. I believe the responsibility for operating a RC aircraft of any sort should fall primarily on the the operator. As the pilot, most of us are aware of the damage even smaller helis can cause to property and the human body. With that knowledge, we should be able to identify when a situation becomes a danger to others and your equipment. I see scenarios where this is not always the case. I've seen it in older pilots as well as younger pilots. I've also had situations where bystanders see me when I'm running up a heli and try to walk up and touch it. One guy thought the blades were just foam and it wouldn't hurt if he got hit. He just laughed at me when I yelled at him to get away. I had to shut it down and wait for him to leave. On another occasion, I had some guys that thought it would be fun to throw things at my heli while it was flying to see what would happen. Fortunately, they missed and I was able to land and yell at them for being stupid. Finally, I had an incident were a bystander brought his 5 and 6 year olds out while i'm doing low 3D and they tried to chase my 50 size nitro machine around and he just watched it happen. He was Korean and didn't understand me when I'm telling him to call his kids back. I'm sure if they'd gotten hurt he would have blamed me for being careless and it would have caused a huge international incident. Don't think in anyone one of those situations, the bystanders were really aware of how dangerous these machines actaually are or how much time and money is invested in them. I had several occasions where people just walk right under my heli as I'm piro flipping and tic tocing away at 15ft like it's not even there. I think the best bet is to simply make a point of making sure anyone in your vacinity is aware that these are not like the toys you see in the mall and can do more damage than they think. On top of that, we need to do what we can limit danger in the case of a bad situation. If I in a public place, I do it where entry to the airspace can be limited to one point by a fence so i know when someone is in the way. It's also our responsibility to let other pilots know when they are being careless. You can't prevent everything, but we can do our best to keep this hobby fun and safe just by using common sense and having respect for these machines when we operate them.

Mellisa

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10-30-2010 03:58 AM  8 years agoPost 31
MutantGarage

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Flying at a busy AMA field is not safer than flying at an empty HOA field. The more people present, the more likely a failure is to sling a part at someone. People get hit at flying fields all the time, why, more aircraft, more people in the small area.
Of course, flying in a busy park is really dangerous, the general public does not know the danger of hobby models and there are un-controlled children and animals running about.

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11-02-2010 06:43 PM  8 years agoPost 32
Rogman88

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Flying at a busy AMA field is not safer than flying at an empty HOA field
Did someone say that it was Bottomline most people don't have a private field; so they go where there is room to fly. Many places people go are public parks, football/ baseball/soccer fields etc because it is cheaper than ponying up some $ to get AMA and join a club. This I personally believe can cause problems.

High Voltage just works better

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11-03-2010 02:16 AM  8 years agoPost 33
Ladymagic

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Rogman,

I agree that it can be just as dangerous flying at a sanctioned AMA field for the exact reasons that you stated, but most of the individuals that go to AMA fields to fly or just to spectate pretty much have an idea of the dangers involved. Even if they don't, usually someone there who does will make sure they know what to expect while they are out there. Also, there are usually flight line entry control and safety measures like fences, ropes, and spectator over-hangs out to keep distance between the pilot and the bystander. In order to be sanctioned by AMA, these are mandates that a field must comply with at all times. In that case, if an incident were to occur at a sanctioned AMA field usually the victim would be less inclined to start a lawsuit with the exception of blatant carelessness becuase it is a danger we all deal with every time we head out to the field. That fact is generally accepted and univerally known.

Even if you followed all the measures in the world and hit someone at a public place. I think they would sue you even if it was obviously their fault. That is what scares me everytime I fly at a open field. Even if a field is isolated and free of bystanders, these helis have a way if attracting alot of attention especially loud nitros and all of a sudden you have 10 people standing around watching and distracting you. Some of them want to hold a full blown conversation with you while you are flying, others want to walk all over the flying space which really gets on my nerves since I try to go out when I know there is nobody in the area. My favorite are the ones who sneek up behind you when you are concentrated on your heli and scare the crap out you when they start talking I've had that happen a few times and almost crashed my heli and had a heart attack at the same time.

Bottom line is I think most pilots are responsible for themselves and others, but sometimes stuff just happens no matter what you do to prevent it. All we can do is best to keep everyone safe by making people aware of the dangers of R/C and also we need to be aware of our individual flying skill and to avoid the impulse to showoff. Utimately, that should determine when and where we should fly. Inexperienced pilots should spend their time flying in areas with no public interference. More experinces pilots are better able to identify when a situation becomes hazard to others and curtail their flying to that affect.

Mellisa

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01-12-2011 01:13 AM  7 years agoPost 34
mrford

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I have seen some crashes very scary .Last week my tail boom fatigued and broke 1/8 inch inside the frame gear box . No looking or checking would have shown this problem .This is a 2 munch old ship . If i had been doing crazy stuff or near my buddies that wouldn't have been good . when you stop being concerned with safety than you should not be playing with flying lawn mowers . Please be carful enjoy but be carful these are big boy toys and there real cool . Theres nothing like seeing a trex 700 gasser fly its impressive . Just show some respect .

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01-12-2011 01:17 AM  7 years agoPost 35
OICU812

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As they say "Common Sense is the Key", it is too bad however it is not that common!!!

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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08-09-2018 01:08 AM  4 months agoPost 36
OneHoof

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I saw this helicopter crash into the crowd at IRCHA in 2016.

Luckily no one was killed. Only one man was injured with a cut to his leg.

People easily could have been killed.

Then last year, they finally had a net in front of the spectators like they do in Europe.

It was a miracle more people weren’t hurt.

RC helicopters can be deadly and should be treated with utmost respect.

Watch at YouTube

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08-09-2018 01:09 AM  4 months agoPost 37
OneHoof

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IRCHA 2016

Watch at YouTube

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08-09-2018 03:56 PM  4 months agoPost 38
GyroFreak

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That IRCHA 2016 had no safety fence for spectators ??. In this case it would have gone over any fence, but still.

As for age, I was flying my 450's and 700 well into my 70's. All my flying was at home but I have 20 acres and no one near me for 1/2 of a mile. That being said, I did have a incident that scared me speechless. I was at about 50 feet high and 100 feet out when something went wrong and the 600 came at me like it was on a kill mission. I ducked and it went right over my head and crashed behind me. I got to thinking that even if didn't kill me the injuries would have been severe and no-one around to help me.

Why did it do that ? I will have to go with dumb thumbs or lockout since I was in a simple hoover. Mechanical failure, probably not, as I am a stickler for maintance (spelling, not so much).
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So to answer the original question, Are you too old? I would say no, unless you have some physical problem that is interfering with your mind or reflexes. Just keep in in mind, accidents do happen, just minimize the results by being as safe as you can.

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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08-09-2018 06:02 PM  4 months agoPost 39
banshee rider

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And this dinosaur of a 7 year old thread has been brought up why ??

ageing is manditory maturity is optional

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08-09-2018 09:56 PM  4 months agoPost 40
GyroFreak

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WOW, I did not look at the original posting date. And the original poster has not been on line for 6 years, so all this falls on deaf ears.

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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