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04-04-2010 02:04 AM  10 years ago
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Heli_KV

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HBK vs similar size helis?
Ok, we all know that HBK is crap heli. In stock form. But if heavily upgraded, looks like not that crap. But does anybody have a comparison or experience with other similar size helis? Let's say Trex 250 (which is smaller) or Gaui 200 or 255 (which are still smaller). Anything else?

For sure, no FBL head for HBK2/3, but let's stay in FB world.
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04-04-2010 02:36 AM  10 years ago
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HK250GT here.

I dont understand your feelings of the king? It is crap stock? well mine flew just great for about 500 flights before I went to a esky purple head crisper cyclic but thats it. Not worth the $100 at the time I bought it.

But if I was to compare the stock HK250GT which is a full CF and CNC machine to the king? I cant cause they are in different classes of helis but I will point out the differences I found.

1: 250 is hotter but requires much more headspeed King is slower and much more stable.

2: King parts are of plastic somewhat imperfect molds HK250 same problem but metal parts

3: king tail will hold with about any gyro HK250 needs good gyro with good tail servo.

4: basic flight king is way better hot aerobatic flight the HK250 wins hands down.
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04-04-2010 03:49 AM  10 years ago
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I'll compare it to a blade CP which was my first heli,and the HBK2 which I replaced it with is a MUCH better heli.

no tail motors that burn out every 10 flights
landing gear is not toothpicks
mainshaft doesn't bend if you fart near it,and actually the HBK mainshaft is one of the toughest of ANY heli I have owned(50n not included)the mainshaft seems to take crashes even better than a MT(I still LOVE my MT's though )

I still believe the HBK2/3 is a great heli,its durable, cheap to buy and fix and definately flies well when set up right.the ONLY reason mine is not in the air right now is the $$$ involed in maintaining and flying 5 helis.And with 1 on the way ,I just dont have the money for another rx and gyro,this may change though as I do have a very nice jet ranger fuse for it that I fitted for it and never finished
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04-04-2010 05:09 AM  10 years ago
Gregor99

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Now that I finally have a 450, I really question where the 300 size fits. There isn't really any place the HBK2 that a 325 bladed 450 couldn't. So what is the role of the 300? Cheaper? Not really. Its not that much cheaper than a 450.Revolectrix Beta Team
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04-04-2010 12:38 PM  10 years ago
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The role of the 300 is to seperate you from your money.Rick
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04-04-2010 06:16 PM  10 years ago
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The role of a 300?
To lure beginners in.
They think: Hey, this is just a small heli, and heli's hover.
I can fly this in my back yard, so I don't have to go to a field!

Actually accomplishing this is totally underestimated by Mr. Uninformed Customer. Most uninformed wannabe heli pilots at the hobby stores mistakenly think that a heli is easier than an airplane because:

1) They hover. That "has" to be easier than flying around all the time like an airplane does.
2) You can fly them at home. With an airplane, you have to go to a "special" field, and need specialized training, because you're actually "flying". Helis just "hover". (yep, people really do think that way).

That thought process is bolstered by Mr. Salesman behind the counter who's primary interest is getting as much of Mr. Uninformed Customers money as possible.

Hence, the wide "popularity" of the 300 series helis. (in my book, they rate right down there with .25 size "trainer" fixed wings!).
Also, not surprisingly, it's the cause of many failed attempts by newbies to become heli pilots.

Look how many Belt CP's get sold to untrained pilots, when the guy behind the counter knows darned well that accomplished pilots find them difficult, at best, to fly.
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04-04-2010 06:20 PM  10 years ago
!2Old2Fly

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An alternate viewpoint on 300 sized helis (yeah, I'm stuck at my desk, and bored..).

They're smaller, thus allowing you to practice in the back yard, where a 450, or 500 might be a bit intimidating.

Helis like the HBK are reasonably priced, and similarly reasonable to repair. I think the consensus is that they're less expensive to maintain than a 450 class heli, yet a well set up 300 class CP can perform many of the same maneuvers that a 450 can.

So it's conceived as a good back yard, practice heli.

But then, all of the above two posts are just my opinion, and my opinion is ... just that.

Go fly!
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04-04-2010 07:46 PM  10 years ago
Heli_KV

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That very nice considerations, but let me put topic back on track:

HBK2/3 vs other similar size helis. Tryan expressed opinion, just would be nice to hear some more, if there is an experience. Please take into account that we speak of modded or heavily modded HBK.
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04-04-2010 08:47 PM  10 years ago
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OK then. Another heli that takes completely different design approach is the LA Heli Ricco from the Czech republic. Its blades are longer than the HBKX's but the AUW is considerbaly lower. It floats around and because its so light, crashes are not that hard on it. It gives up a little bit if ruggedness in the design is not as tack perfect on all responses as you'd get from a mainstream 450. The HBKX is an overweight tank by comparision.

There's also the Blade SR. It comes with a brushless setup, HH gyro and all the usual RTF stuff. Unfortunately Eflight decided to use a motor driven tail, which is completely inapropriate for a heli this size. I've heard there is a belt driven version in the works.

As ususal, Eflight is targeting the group that !2old so nicely described. What's worse this time is that many of those poeple went from a mCX to an mSR and are seeing the Blade SR as the next natural transition. When in fact a proper 450 would be much easier to fly and cheaper to own in the long run. Not to mention that it already includes a belt. As it relates to this thread, the Blade SR comes similary equipped to the stock HBK3, except the Esky has a belt.
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