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04-02-2010 03:48 AM  10 years ago
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soggy

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wassup diff between power consumption BL451 vs DS610/620
hi guys..anyone can share their experience with these servos?

i seen the align website it says Low Power Consumption

and any experience with DS650 vs BL251?
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04-02-2010 04:29 AM  10 years ago
MrMel

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Align/Savox/JR has about 30% higher power consumption then BLS servos is my experience (confirmed by datalogging).Gone fishing..or hunting..or something
My site: http://heli.dacsa.net - VBar videos and more
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04-02-2010 05:50 AM  10 years ago
soggy

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hi mr mel,

which one will be good combo using a HV 80 Jive,A50-12L HAcker from Mikado Combo.. will there be a big differences in flight time?

i)DS610 x 3pcs , DS650 tail
ii)DS610x 3pcs, BL251 tail
iii)BL451x 3pcs, DS650 tail
iv)i know option 4 will be the best BL451, BL251..but due to find ways to reduce abit of spending on my AMEX card..exploring some ways

what i worry also the A50-12L is also a power hungry house..
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04-02-2010 06:05 AM  10 years ago
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guys ..also found out some new hyperion servos available..anyone tried that before? how they like about the hyperion servos?

thanks

HP-DS20xGCD
ATLAS DIGITAL PROGRAMMABLE SERVO
(Digital High Speed Servo)
Weight : 51.0g
Speed sec/60 deg 4.8v/6.0 :0.07/0.06
Dynamic torque Kg/cm 4.8/6.0v : 4.0/4.5
Holding torque Kg/cm 4.8v/6.0v : 8.0/9.0
Dimensions (mm) : 40.0x19.5x36.5
Gear Train Primary Material : CarbonPoly
Bearing : Double ball
Operating Temp : -20 to +60 Degree C
Current Drain (4.8V) : 7.0mA / 230mA
Current Drain (6.0V) : 7.0mA / 300mA
Stall Current (4.8V) : 1500mA
Stall Current (6.0V) : 2000mA
Minimum Input Voltage : 3.5V under load
Maximum Input Voltage : unloaded 7.3V / loaded 6.3V
Connector Wire Gauge : 22AWG
Connector Wire Length : 250mm
Connector Wire Strand Count : 60EA

HP-DS20xTMD New Coreless!
ATLAS DIGITAL PROGRAMMABLE SERVO
Weight : 52.5g
Dimensions : 40.0 x 19.5 x 36.5mm
Speed sec/60 deg 4.8v/6.0v : 0.16 / 0.13 sec
Dynamic Torque kg/cm 4.8v/6.0v : 8.0 / 9.5kg
Holding Torque kg/cm 4.8v/6.0v : 16.0 / 19.0kg
Gear Train Primary Material : Metal
Bearings : Double Ball
Motor Drive : Direct Digital with CORELESS Motor
SAME TORQUE PERFORMANCE WITH
HP-DS20FMD BUT WITH HIGHER SPEED AND CORELESS MOTOR DRIVE.
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04-02-2010 06:12 AM  10 years ago
rocco.sj

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Where is the site link to them hyperion servos?. Thanks.JR Americas
Evo Power Battery
Radio Frequency RC
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04-02-2010 07:31 AM  10 years ago
MrMel

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Regardless of servo,flighttime wont be affected in a way that you notice.Gone fishing..or hunting..or something
My site: http://heli.dacsa.net - VBar videos and more
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04-02-2010 11:38 AM  10 years ago
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rocco..here you are

http://www.skyhobbies.com.sg/servos.htm

mr mel's so how does power hungry servo affecting a heli's performance if the flight time is not affected.

Lets say 3pcs DS 610( cyclic ) + 1 DS 650 equivalent to how many amps?

basic to mild 3D..

coz always people comparing power hungry servos n regular servos..

thanks
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04-02-2010 02:01 PM  10 years ago
LaurenceGough

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People compare the servos because if the servos draw more they make the BEC work harder and if it works too hard it could cut off power causing a lock-out or crash. It depends how you are powering the servos.

Other than that they will fly the same with the same flight times. If you are using a RX pack perhaps the BLS servos will allow the RX pack to hold charge for longer.

I would go with the BLS servos over the Align ones. But I would go for JR ones over both of them.
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04-02-2010 02:21 PM  10 years ago
Jgatorman

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Much to nice of a helicopter, go with jr or futaba servos. That is my two cents. Remember the one thing I have learned in this hobby is, "you can pay now or you can pay later but trust me you are gonna pay"!
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04-02-2010 03:07 PM  10 years ago
LaurenceGough

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"you can pay now or you can pay later but trust me you are gonna pay"!
Sums up this hobby nicely hahaha...
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04-02-2010 03:28 PM  10 years ago
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That's true for the most part. However, some servos (like the Align 610's) and Lipos (like Turnigy) are a great value and work very well.

I just bought my first L600 and will be using 610's on cyclic and a Turnigy brushless tail servo. http://hobbycity.com/hobbyking/stor...1kg/.03sec/58g_
-Jeff T.
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04-02-2010 04:27 PM  10 years ago
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turnigy servo looks very cool..but i aint gonna believe my Logo 600 $2000 heli tail on a hobbycity servo..

most probable servo will be DS610 + DS650 or DS610+ 9452..

or Hitec6965 + 9452...
if i got convinced by LHS to go for BLS servos i might changed my mind
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04-02-2010 04:32 PM  10 years ago
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Those new Turnigy BLS is rebranded MKS = Good servos.Gone fishing..or hunting..or something
My site: http://heli.dacsa.net - VBar videos and more
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04-02-2010 04:36 PM  10 years ago
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okay..what about power consumption.. will it be lower than the DS650?

but more people commented on the DS610/620 are power hungry..no comment yet on DS 650..been searching the thread but cant get review about DS650

0.03 is one of the fastest servo in the market now..i never seen such speed before
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04-02-2010 04:45 PM  10 years ago
psych-lick

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I've been using a DS650 on a trex 600N for a few months now. It's a fine servo and works on 6v which is a big plus IMHO. I just wish it was faster.-Jeff T.
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04-02-2010 10:10 PM  10 years ago
Stolla

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Three failures on align tail servos between my flying buds (one 650, 2 620's), wont touch them although plenty users on cyclic and they're fine.
So my advice if you wanna save a couple of bucks bls for tail and aligns for cyclic,
I have 3 l600 vbars on aligns, bls 451s and jr8717s (cyclic) and can honestly say no difference in feel, however my vote goes towards the 451's in terms of efficiency and brushless tech.
The 8717's has centre slop so theyre the worst of the bunch imop.
For tail i wont use anything but the bls 251
Common sense may not be common after all
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04-02-2010 10:58 PM  10 years ago
LaurenceGough

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8717s have the same slop at the Futaba 451's after flying them for a while.

Got the Futaba ones in front of me now with slop in them.

It doesn't make one difference in flight as Kyle has proven with his Logo's.

I agree though, if money saving then get Align on cyclic and Futaba or JR on the tail.
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04-03-2010 04:12 AM  10 years ago
soggy

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thanks stolla n technex

its really a good piece of advice for me..spend a couple ten bucks more to save a $2000 heli..
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04-03-2010 07:48 PM  10 years ago
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I had a DS610 fail in flight not long ago. The heli moved in a manner outside of my inputs, so I landed it. All servos seemed fine on the ground. They centered and moved normally. Then I checked them by hand. One had lost nearly all of its stall force. I could move it at will. I replaced it with a new DS610 and it flies fine now. But I've never had so much as a hickup from any of the 8717's I've used.

If I have the budget I will definately go with a quality JR or Futaba servo. One crash negates any savings you might have gained with a cheap servo. It's not worth it in my opinion.
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