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04-06-2010 06:18 PM  8 years agoPost 21
v58 fuy

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The Vibe when launched in the UK was not an overly expensive helicopter, the kit was £400 compared with a 600N at around £350.

However in recent months the kit has changed up and down a lot, with current prices up to £600 for the kit, and the spares have also varied a lot - at one point the booms were over £20 each which is crazy, now they have settled back a little.

We all know the Vibe is a great helicopter, but JR's policy of introducing a substantial price increase to both kits and parts, is a at best hard to understand, and at worst punishing those people that didn't follow the crowd by buying a TT or Align.

David

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04-06-2010 06:50 PM  8 years agoPost 22
synodontis

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when you say "JR's policy of introducing a substantial price increase to both kits and parts, is a at best hard to understand" do you mean JR the company itself or Macgregor's the distributors of JR in this country? The two are different companies as you well know.

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04-08-2010 10:00 AM  8 years agoPost 23
Rotodingo

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You just don't realise, all of you, that since the vibe 50 release we had artificially low parts prices. It was'nt logical for such quality compared to Align wich mades really low quality products, down to the screws! Steel is bad quality, carbon fiber parts are bad quality (material, resin, cnc etc), design is bad quality (the T-600 is realy a hugly design, very basic), lifetime is very low (dampers, screws, bearings etc). Align is much more expensive than JR since they are selling horrible quality products. This is the scandal, not the JR prices. So now we will have to pay the right price for the JR parts. We were eating white bread, no it's time for the usual grey one. Just consider yourselfs as very lucky, until now. That's all.

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04-08-2010 11:24 AM  8 years agoPost 24
synodontis

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I totally agree.

I don't have an Align heli, not that I'm a snob, but it just appears to me that they cut corners in everything.

They are dominant because of price - nothing else really. They have a different business model, which I'm told, goes in the line of: make the kits as cheap as possible, we hardly make much money on them, but we should get it all back via outstanding parts support because our helis will have total market penetration and hence more crashes etc. . . Align doesn't really sponsor F3C events because hardly anybody crashes doing F3C, they sponsor 3D events because people get reckless and crash a lot.

I totally accept and believe that you get what you pay for, but companies like JR and Hirobo are finding it tough to hold onto customers if companies like Align have literally taken 90% or more of the market!!!

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04-08-2010 01:27 PM  8 years agoPost 25
Rotodingo

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I disagree on one point: i think at this price level Align is still making a lot of money. Very poor quality gives them some margin. I'm thinking for years that we pay at leats 30% too much for what Align quality is. They deserves only one compliment: they realy did something good on the 450 class. It still was bad qulaity product but before Align this is a heli class that was really missing. But about 500 class, 50 class etc, they are making bad products. The T-500 can't compete with a Vibe 500, the T-600 with a Vibe 50 or an outrage 50.

Please realize that the Vibe 50 swashplate was sold at 35 or 39$ until recently. For such a part it was so cheap!

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04-08-2010 02:33 PM  8 years agoPost 26
synodontis

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I know nothing about the business side of things and am just telling you what I was told. Are you really sure they are still making much money from what they are selling them at?

They have totally reset the expectations of most fliers regarding the market, what I mean by that is most people are not willing to pay more when they have the option to pay less. And since most are 3D fliers, they do want cheap and available parts.

$39 for a Vibe 50 swash, yes well that is almost a give away!! A Hirobo metal swash will set you back over $140!!!

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04-08-2010 02:44 PM  8 years agoPost 27
Jim Woodward

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Keep all this negative price talk up! I'm jones'n for the next couple SG's to hit the used market here on RR I'm definatley looking for one of these to fly F3C with. If some are too disenfranhised with the replacement part issues, please PM with a decent sale if available
Thanks,
Jim

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04-08-2010 05:20 PM  8 years agoPost 28
Topher

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I still don't understand how you people can even acknowledge a price hike. To me this thread is just utter nonsense. Lets do a quick comparison.

Vibe 50

A set of frames - $50
http://www.hobbyhut.com/JRP996158_M...44013961582.htm

Main shaft - $11
http://www.hobbyhut.com/JRP996179_M...44013961797.htm

Torque Tube - $10
http://www.hobbyhut.com/JRP996196_T...44013961964.htm

Swash Plate - $47
http://www.hobbyhut.com/JRP996151_1...44013961513.htm

Feathering Shaft - $6
http://www.hobbyhut.com/JRP996139_B...44013961391.htm

T-600

A set of frames (L&R Fiberglass) - $70
http://www.hobbyhut.com/HN6056_1_Fi...13413931330.htm

Main Shaft - $6.50 (Assuming they're not bent )
http://www.hobbyhut.com/H60159_Main...13413936618.htm

Torque Tube - $17
http://www.hobbyhut.com/H60119_Torq...13413936977.htm

Swash Plate - $42
http://www.hobbyhut.com/HN6101_00_N...13413941131.htm

Feathuring Shaft - $3.50
http://www.hobbyhut.com/H60006_Feat...13413921614.htm

All those prices look pretty dam comparable to me. Some JR parts are cheaper than aligns, and some of aligns are cheaper than JRs. It should also be noted that you don't always know if the parts you buy from align are any good. When I had a T600N, usually half the main shafts I bought were bent. I once got a feathering shaft that wasn't even threaded. Lets also not forget that JR parts are much better built and designed and more likely to survive a crash.

Can we let this thread die now?

will wash your heli for a quarter

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04-08-2010 05:43 PM  8 years agoPost 29
synodontis

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it's probably people in the UK or outside the states that complain, and I suppose there's justification for it since we've been messed around with by the distributors.

I suppose in the states the market is bigger and you lot won't stand for the nonsense we get sometimes.

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04-08-2010 09:42 PM  8 years agoPost 30
Jacoub

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Topher
You are the man, It seems to be some one wants to advertise something here, by the way, JR ( JAPAN RADIO) has the best stuff even with radios and helis, Also Align, I noticed many people in my club are saying Align is nothing, but when I tried my Trex 450 pro, Align CF blades 600, Algin tail blades, Algin 50 pipe, I noticed that it is a perfect a brand, with a good stuff and reasonable many, So my next heli if I want to go with 90 is definitly VIBE 90 or TREX 700, or Trex 600 ESP

JR Synergy or ALIGN are my favorite

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05-11-2010 08:56 AM  8 years agoPost 31
aircamone

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I will gladly pay an extra hundred bucks for jr quality! Dont get me wrong I fly 2 aligns and 2 jr helis and like them all. You just cant understand jr quality until you build a few and then build some others. Some parts will go up in price due to nothing more than demand. You cant complain about the cost of a tank or swash going up, how often do you buy a new fuel tank unless your really crashing hard? Just be happy that they still support them. HH owns jr and YES they set the price on everything. I Just built a vibe 500e and EVERY nut, bolt, screw, shaft, bearing and machined part fit together like sex. Its worth it to me

Trex 600 esp BeamA-4 Furion 450 Sceado 50 Vibe500e

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05-11-2010 03:39 PM  8 years agoPost 32
v58 fuy

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My Vibe is the best helicopter i have ever owned and I love it period.

But my gripe is the cost difference on parts that are not significantly different parts or quality from other same sized nitro birds.

Here in the UK we get ripped off for everything, so the below comparison should apply to all makes, as none are made in the UK.

Boom

T-rex 600N - £ 4.85
Hirobo SDX - £ 7.25
Synergy N5 - £ 8.00
Velocity V50 - £ 4.08
Vibe 50 - £ 15.11

Clutch Shoe

T-rex 600N - £ 11.63
Hirobo SDX - £ 13.99
Synergy N5 - £ 19.99
Velocity V50 - £ 12.25
Vibe 50 - £ 44.95

Frame

Synergy Frame - £ 40.00 G10
Vibe 50 Frame - £ 75.45 G10

The Hirobo and Synergy above cannot be described as poor quality compared to the Vibe, and there is little to choose between booms and clutches - so why the huge difference.

I would be interested to know the difference in the states in these parts, to see if it is really the UK distributor taking the @@@@

David

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05-11-2010 04:25 PM  8 years agoPost 33
cmir2425

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I think your distributor is taking you guys for a ride. Isn't the Pound to dollar exchange rate at 1 pound equals 1.5 dollars. You guys also pay VAT over there (19-20%)! I don't know how they justify charging more, higher freight costs from Japan? Insane pricing.

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05-11-2010 04:36 PM  8 years agoPost 34
ch-47c

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I think it is the exchange rate to whichever country. Plus who knows what vendors and suppliers Align and JR is using.
EVERY nut, bolt, screw, shaft, bearing and machined part fit together like sex.
Tight or sloppy?

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05-11-2010 04:50 PM  8 years agoPost 35
aircamone

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hee hee smooth and no slop

Trex 600 esp BeamA-4 Furion 450 Sceado 50 Vibe500e

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05-11-2010 06:07 PM  8 years agoPost 36
v58 fuy

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Guys,

My points were really based on the following ones:

1) I'm not comparing the UK with the US pricing, I'm comparing all UK pricing, therefore the rip of Britain applies to all.

2) I'm comparing items which are 'similar' quality on all the heli's listed.

3) I'm comparing other 'quality' manufacturers with JR like Hirobo and Synergy.

4) I am comparing things like booms and clutches and flat sheets of G10, this is not like comparing swashplates, where JR has arguably much better quality than say an Align swashplate.

5) Before anybody says that the Vibe 50 clutch is a 90 size unit, I think the Synergy is as well (also a Quick UK heavy duty clutch for 600N is £ 29.99).

David

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05-11-2010 08:08 PM  8 years agoPost 37
ch-47c

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hee hee smooth and no slop
As it should be.

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05-11-2010 08:13 PM  8 years agoPost 38
ch-47c

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Could the price be higher on a Vibe50 G-10 frame because more cutting required than the N9 frames? Do they charge more for each step of production?

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05-11-2010 08:38 PM  8 years agoPost 39
synodontis

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nothing to stop us buying from Germany, since it is a member of the EU:

world of heli

haven't really checked their prices, but it should be a whole lot better than what we get in the UK. You can tell that I don't crash a lot.

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05-11-2010 11:10 PM  8 years agoPost 40
tommyvuitton

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Why not just order your parts from the US?? That's what I do and I live in South Africa. We are also ripped off with prices here.

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