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04-01-2010 12:33 AM  10 years ago
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Heli_KV

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Heli agility
Flipped today Protos. It is OK, but I dscovered, that Protos is way faster then any of my other helis: G5 and Rave. Protos is FBL so I can tune it easy. ATV on Protos on elev is 123% (recommendations from previous owner).

Looks to me I need to increase agility of my other helis and tamm down a little bit Protos. For upright flying Protos is quite comfortable for me, but to keep flipping other helis, I often need to give full cyclic, which makes me nervous a bit, that I max out cyclic and have nothing left for extra.

What do you think? Should I increase speed of other than Protos helis? I have last hole for G5 head and I can install fast paddles (with weight) on Rave (now I have stock) or just increase cyclic throw?

I understand that it all relates to comfort level, as expo, but still your thoughts are quite useful.

Thanks!
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04-01-2010 01:22 AM  10 years ago
Gregor99

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Right or wrong, I tend to prefer all my helis generally have similar response characteristics. This can lead to frustrating issues were one can simply run into limits in one area on one particular heli. Then once you get everything how you like it, you get a new heli that flies better than all of them. Next you are back to your fleet tweaking and maxing out this and that. Regardless, I still do it.

In your case, it will be hard to match the agility / stability of a flybarless 500 with a flybarred 450. But there's no harm in trying. Also consider different paddles, and a longer flybar. CY has some good paddles as does KBDD.
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04-01-2010 01:59 AM  10 years ago
Heli_KV

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Thanks for your thoughts. Looks like Stubz (ohh) is way to go on Rave to match Protos. I will try also to increase cyclic. Looks like HBK is left behind. Nothing left there to tune for agility, I guess, except CF blades and higher HS. I already have CF paddles.

Though I do not understand the relation between FBL 500 size and FB 450 size. They both can be tuned to the same level of agility on agile side, isn't it?
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04-01-2010 03:16 AM  10 years ago
Gregor99

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With a flybar, you will have to trade off a little stability for agility. Though I've not had the good fortune of testing out a flybarless setup, from what I understand,there is no compromise between agility and stability. The Protos is a very agile, light and powerful heli. It doesn't surprise me that with a FBL setup, its more nibble than a 450.

Glad you were not disapointed by the feel of a larger heli.
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04-01-2010 07:30 AM  10 years ago
Andy.Kim

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Setup depends on your flying style. 3D versus sport or in between.

If you like how quick your FBL Protos is then leave it alone but if you find it difficult to fly the way you want then tone it down.

I would want to setup all my helis to fly the same but each heli flies a little different. IMO what's most important to match is piro rate.
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04-01-2010 06:49 PM  10 years ago
Melnic

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I think you have a situation that lends itself to personal preference.
I could see myself getting all picky and going through a bunch of heli upgrades and end up spending so much time tweeking and test flying that I don't get any real flying accomplished (no, wait, I think I've already been doing some of that!)

For me, messing around with different helis, testing stuff, playing around is somewhat enjoyable. But it's occupying alot of my time. I'm tolerating it now that its spring time but next month, I gotta stop that and just fly. I need to narrow my go-to fleet down to just 2 helis and stop trying to get them all tweeked and accept that I'll have a heli or two that just does not fly like the rest. I've looked at selling a couple but frankly, I don't want to sell over the internet and they are not worth that much on the used market to sell so they will probably just sit on the shelf. I'm gonna start putting them in clear bags to keep the dust off them.
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04-01-2010 06:55 PM  10 years ago
Andy.Kim

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After dealing with quality issues with the Hbk2 and HDX500 I now fly quality machines. I rarely do maintenance so I can fly a whole lot more.

Some get their enjoyment from performing maintenance... But bench time is always down time.
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04-01-2010 07:28 PM  10 years ago
Heli_KV

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HBK is quality machine....

if being rebuilt completely. Boom and landing gear is Ok though.
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04-02-2010 12:02 AM  10 years ago
Gregor99

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For me, messing around with different helis, testing stuff, playing around is somewhat enjoyable. But it's occupying alot of my time.
Same here. 7 helis total and I'm trying to focus only on two, 450 (backyard/park) and 600 (field). I spent WAY too much time on the bench last season it really shows in what is left of my flying skills.

So far I haven't been very succesful resisting the temptation to tinker. I'm currently having a self induced issue with mt 600. I'm very close to backing out the changes and going back to stock.
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04-02-2010 12:52 AM  10 years ago
Heli_KV

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I do not like to deal with helis also, but I consider that this is necessary part of the game. Well tuned heli flyes better. At least for me, at least maybe psycologically. I keep flying all helis I have, including HBK. Oh, no, my 4G6 is dismounted now and I am too lazy to assemble it together again. A bit later. All my helis are alsmost stock, except HBK and 4G6, both are heavily modified and this reflected in their flying abilities. Protos, Rave, G5 - all stock or with stock upgrades. None on Rave, none on G5 and a bit of metal parts where necessary + boom + conductive tail boom mount, which is required. Only parts which were faulty from the first batches were upgraded, which is kind of recall. Yeah, for Rave I really got a recall, I was shipped faulty or potentially faulty part for free, just from a picture. It was enough for me just to express a concern and part was replaced.

Going back to heli agility, just flew a number of packs on HBK, it is fast, not terribly fast, but quite fast. Tuned G5 head on most agressive - a bit more agile, though not that significant. So far, Protos leads agility, despite the fact that I have in my understanding 'agility' setting on Vbar pretty low (only my understanding, maybe it is OK - in the middle of agility range), but at the same time it is quite stable. Is it due to FBL or not, I do not know. Fortunately I got it already tuned and setup, so I just did minor adjustments.

I guess I will order stubz for Rave.

All increase in heli rotaion speed I do in order to match or at least to get closer to Protos in order to learn.

Btw, flying 4G6 all winter helped big deal. Now all helis seem to me quite stable. So it was very good exercise for me - flying 4G6. But I did not accomplish my dream - inverted in a room. I hope later.
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