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04-01-2010 12:06 AM  10 years ago
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tj_1000

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Just Ordered... Logo 600,kontronic120, Piro 700-520 HELP !!!
Hi Guy's

Looking for all the help and tips I can get here.Just ordered machine from readyheli, bad thing is they are out of the 30mm motor mount along with everyone else. I have been flying for 10 years now, but have no electric experiance at all. With what I listed above I plan to run Hyperion 10s 4500 packs and a 12 or 13 tooth pinion. I will be using edge 603 blades and 95mm tail blades. I know nothing about flybarless set-ups to top it all off. Looking for any and all tips or places to read on how to set these up as well as how to understand the whole motor, speed controller, battery, and pinion relationship. Do you guys think I'm looking at the right batteries or should I concider something else. Do I need any tools for setting up pitches? Help, Help, Help!!! I have no-one in my area that I know of that is flying flybarless. Thanks in advance for any assistance you guys can provide me.

T.J.
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04-01-2010 12:11 AM  10 years ago
LaurenceGough

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You want 95mm tail blades really, 85mm is too small for a 600 size. It will work for flying around slowly fine though.

V-Bar set-up vids:

http://www.vstabi.info/en/node/141

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt27...feature=related

Both links are very helpful, spend the time and look through them all .

Those batteries seem perfect for that set-up. On a Logo 600 I just built I am running 11T MOD 1 gears Scorpion 4035-560 and Hyperion 35C 4200mAh 2x 5S packs in series. 12T is used for very hard 3D! Otherwise 11T works great.

There is a great tool here to calculate headspeed:

http://www.readyheli.com/Online_Hea...ulator_s/81.htm

You do not need any tools for setting up pitch. You do it all by feel and using the V-Bar software.

You want the Kontronik 80+ HV ESC. Also it would be a good idea to buy the Kontronik heatsink and some thermally conductive paste glue/epoxy. You stick the heatsink onto the ESC. If you already have the 120+ HV then no worries, will be fine .
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04-01-2010 12:15 AM  10 years ago
tj_1000

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I meant 95mm...

Thanks...
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04-01-2010 12:42 AM  10 years ago
LaurenceGough

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I have edited my above post a bit to help out more.

I'm still picking up stuff so I only post what I've picked up personally so far.
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04-01-2010 04:58 AM  10 years ago
whytlotus

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With the exception of the Jive 120, I just built the same thing with 95 tail. I am using a 12tooth pinion presently. Running mode 11 on a Jive80HV and at 75%. Take your time with the build. Make sure to check out Mr Mel's VBar101 videos if you haven't already done so. More vids on the Vstabi site. Mr Mel also has vids on how to program the Jive. The 80HV with heatsink is fine for this machine. No real need to spend the extra $$, but if money is no object..go for it. I was very pleased with the results and was surprised at how easy the Vbar is to setup. ReadyHeli is always getting stuff in, you shouldn't have to wait too long.
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04-01-2010 11:13 AM  10 years ago
Stolla

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I would also run longer blades as 600's is more for 6s, kind of wasting the extra power availableCommon sense may not be common after all
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04-01-2010 12:19 PM  10 years ago
LaurenceGough

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Nope imho, Edge 603's on 10S is perfect, just came back from the field flying a Logo 600 with the same set-up, flies amazing. Best heli I've ever flown for sure. Seems like the most common set-up too. Just my view, if it flies great why not fly it?

You don't want more than 2100 headspeed that's for sure, unless you're one of the world's best pilots.

Just lower the headspeed down in the Jive until you get the power and flight times you're after.

I'm getting 6.10 of 3D from a 4200mAh 10S pack.
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04-01-2010 12:32 PM  10 years ago
tj_1000

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THANKS GUYS.... KEEP TH INFO COMING..... VERY HELPFUL...

How is the parts availability? Readyheli says great but what else are they gona say.....

What do I want to buy for spares upfront?

How long will it take to charge 4500 10s packs in the field with a hyperion 615 duo charger? How many times can I charge before my truck battery will go dead.

Would it be good to get like a OPTIMA boat battery and wire it in line with my truck battery? I have the space to put a second battery in my truck?

Thanks Again...
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04-01-2010 12:44 PM  10 years ago
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Parts will be fine, Mikado's are popular helis, no need to worry there. Readyheli is one of the best stores around too so you can be sure they'll keep a good stock.

For spares upfront? Hmm, could be a lot of things depending on how you crash it haha! If you can afford it pick up another set of main and tail blades, feathering shaft, main shaft, landing gear tail shaft, tail boom, belt, main gear, dampeners, main shaft bearings, main grips, main grip bearings.

What I do is just buy parts when I crash, this way you don't have a ton laying around.

I have never crashed a Logo so am just saying the standard crash items.

When you crash something always breaks which you don't have, heli law! Haha

You might want to pick up the plastic landing gear bolts, these save the frames in a crash.

RTL Fasteners Plastic M3x12mm (I used these and then cut them down slightly, easy)

Or

RTL Fasteners Plastic M3x10mm

To charge the 10S pack it should take about an hour at 1C charge rate (4.5A). The Hyperions can be charged at 5C if your charger can handle it so you're talking about 30 minutes or under each pack.

http://www.bmtuning.nl/index.php?/1...0W-Charger.html

Looks like this is your charger, as you're over 6S it sounds like you will have to use both ports at the same time to charge. But it also looks like it can handle 5C charge rates!

Do you know the AH rating of your truck battery?
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04-01-2010 04:31 PM  10 years ago
g_dmitry

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You don't want more than 2100 headspeed that's for sure, unless you're one of the world's best pilots.
2250 is where Logo come to life if you are doing 3D. And you do not need to be one of the world's best pilot.

Flight time goes down for sure. I set my timer to 5.30 with 10s 5000ma for 3D flying.
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04-01-2010 11:15 PM  10 years ago
Terrabit

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I don't really see any benefit in running high headspeeds. Sure, it can be fun but, I run 2050 with 620's and it still performs better than any other heli I've ever flown. With vbar you can get the same performance of a flybarred heli at a lower headspeed by simply increasing your pitch. Cyclic is not at all dependant on headspeed. Comming from nitro, you'll be quite happy.

I'd opt for a little extra flight time at a lower headspeed.
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04-02-2010 07:15 AM  10 years ago
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hear you on the HS.. you can fly it just fine at 2050.. what i find is that the higher HS gives more 'authority' when doing maneuvers.. eg. bunny hops, pulling out of a tail slide, etc. the collective feels more 'instant' or 'locked in'...

FWIW, 2250 on teh logo 600 does not feel like more collective authority than 1850 on my FBL n9 (actually the 90 feels much stronger in this sense. but its not fair to compare as the disc size is so much different). 2000 on the logo and i dont pull walls or bunny hops too low as i wind up getting way close to the ground from the extra drift.

it all depends on what you want... and what sort of 'feel' you are going for.. recently i have been running lower 1950-2000 HS when practicing reversing piro funnels and reversing piro-loops.. i get about 1min more flight time overall (sort of amazing it makes that much of a difference). then pop into idle 2 (2250) for more hardcore 3d.
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