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03-31-2010 11:58 PM  10 years ago
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ChrisMoore

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Going inverted
okay. I plan to head to the field tomorrow to fly and I plan to go inverted for the first time. I cant figure if I should loop, roll, or just go upsided down and fly forward for a little.

from day one I have had a -11,0,11 pitch curve in all flight modes. I run a Spektrum 7000R receiver (with governor) and have an estimated 1616 RPM on the rotor. I have 15 years of flying experience, helicopters more recently.

I have been putting this off long enough. Any pointers?
Chris. AMA 497715 IRCHA 3351
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04-01-2010 12:05 AM  10 years ago
junkpilot

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Going inverted
If you beleive all the posts here everybody else has been doing it for years. How hard could it be? Really theres nothing to it, rehearse it a time or two in your head then go up and do it!
Congratulations in advance!
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04-01-2010 12:06 AM  10 years ago
misfits0311

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Have you been practicing inverted in the sim? If so, I would flip or roll into the inverted orientation that you are "most" comfortable with and then continue the flip or roll in the same direction back into upright hover. Do it 3 mistakes high and always have a bailout plan if something goes wrong. Don't forget to give it just a little positive pitch as you start to flip. Other than that, you just have to do it and get past the fear. Don't be surprised if your heart feels like it might beat out of your chest though. ╘ₒ₲ₒ 6°° ƺƉ ṾЪ∂®
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04-01-2010 12:31 AM  10 years ago
ChrisMoore

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yes. I can fly sustained inverted and hover inverted in a few orientations...and loop, roll, flip, in the sim.Chris. AMA 497715 IRCHA 3351
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04-01-2010 12:32 AM  10 years ago
Yug

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^^ +1
it's no big deal. Just be MINDFULL of an escape if your brain hits the panic button.
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04-01-2010 12:37 AM  10 years ago
sharam

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Some good hints thus far.

Another useful way is to first practice doing large loops and holding the inverted position on the top part before you complete the loop. This gives you a chance to get used to having the heli inverted.

I would fly the heli away from yourself (3 mistakes high) and then pull back on the elevator. At the top of the loop, the heli is now coming back at you inverted and you can just ease up on the elevator for a while and let the heli come in your direction, then again pull back on the elevator and get it to an upright and tail-in position. Your escape route if you try this method is to just complete the loop which should be easy.

Also, if you do a back flip to enter your inverted position, go easy if you have wood blades. I have seen boom strikes from flipping too quickly with wood blades; carbons should be ok although I would still go easy until you get the hang of it.

Good luck.
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04-01-2010 12:55 AM  10 years ago
sinte

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whatever orientation/manuever you take from sim time to real time ...just don't freeze up once you're committed...follow your instincts and sim training.

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04-01-2010 01:37 AM  10 years ago
fla heli boy

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I learned by rolling to inverted in FFF. Just seemed easier to me.
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04-01-2010 01:52 AM  10 years ago
LONEWOLF2440

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I started by going into a back flipMIKADO LOGO 600 TREX 550
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04-01-2010 02:02 AM  10 years ago
rcjon

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I learned from a tail in hover. Start with a tail in hover a bit to your left. Up a little on the collective, roll gently to the right and set her on the disk with negative collective. A little more negative and roll to your right to upright. Trace the letter m. I didn't like flipping because you change from nose in to tail in or visa versa.

Whatever works for you, but go for it!
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04-01-2010 02:03 AM  10 years ago
fla heli boy

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I think it was just easier for me FFF roll, because I had so much plank experience, so FFF inverted really wasn't that hard. It was the slowing down inverted and doing hovering maneuvers that got me. Just about the time I moved on to another hobby.
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04-01-2010 02:59 AM  10 years ago
Andy.Kim

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"Just do it"
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04-01-2010 03:05 AM  10 years ago
Fnity

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NICE! try to get a bit high on the first attempt in case you need to bail, other than that go for it. I find that pulling the trigger is the hardest part after you get it down on the sim. Same inputs little diff. feel, but take a deep breath and do it
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04-01-2010 03:13 AM  10 years ago
ROGER543

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i tried going inverted a few weeks ago for the first time but my thumbs went numb or mabey my brain shorted out either way i crashed it should remember that once you start just do it. will try again this weekend
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04-01-2010 03:19 AM  10 years ago
Fnity

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Sorry to hear that ROGER543, same advise
If you can do it on the sim consistently, just get a bit high in case you need to bail, and do what you've done on the sim and follow through. Deep breath, same inputs and boom done, wow, thats ez, and repeat.....
Its a feeling like nothing else, first flip, roll, invert, whatever it is, its a blast and why we fly helis
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04-01-2010 03:50 AM  10 years ago
ChrisMoore

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yeah, I've been flying upside down with airplanes for a while so I will probably go over on FFF...its amazing how I have gone so long without even trying! Tomorrow is the day! Yay for April Fools day!Chris. AMA 497715 IRCHA 3351
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04-01-2010 04:04 AM  10 years ago
jschenck

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I've been flying fixed wing for a long time but I learned to fly inverted on the heli by doing in a loop and stopping at the top. First thing I had to teach myself was to "push out" when you need to get out of there. That's counter-intutitve for fixed wing pilots who are used to 'just finish the loop'. Mentally prepare yourself to push negative collective and elevator down to get the nose back level.

Also, learning inverted nose in was MUCH easier for me than tail in. First time I went inverted I thought tail in would be easier. Took my Raptor home in a Wal-mart bag - a few lessons from that. Practice on the sim (I bought my sim shortly after that experience), go WAY high forward flight loop into it is much easier than trying to stop a flip where you want it and 'catch it' when you are not ready for that orientation yet.

If you are comfortable with it on the sim it'll go fine though!
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04-01-2010 05:23 AM  10 years ago
EVO76

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I'm right at the same spot Chris..I've been practicing holding inverted during a backflip, and when it gets scary..just finish the flip. I'm sim ready to try it..just nervous to pull the trigger.

if I had my 600 LE ready..I'd say we could both do it this weekend!!
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04-01-2010 06:17 AM  10 years ago
JasonJ

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I back flip into it, and forward flip out of it. Like what was said, give some positive, flip on over, and give a bit more negative than you think you should. Last year I was finding myself flipping over, and watching as it just sank, then panicking and crashing. I had to force myself to give more negative. It's still pretty new for me, I spent a month in spring 09 crashing over and over despite sim time so I bagged it for the rest of last year.

I hit the sim hard in December, and Jan 2nd I was doing inverted hovering much much better. Now it is a joy to flip her on over and watch as it just sits there upside down. This is with my 450. I still haven't sacked up and flipped the 50 into invert, though I'll get to it soon. No hurry for me.
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04-01-2010 06:31 AM  10 years ago
Blax1

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Standing by for a report Chris, good luck..
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