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03-31-2010 05:24 PM  10 years ago
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CHECK THIS OUT - answers??
Ok, here's my set up.

Rave 450 350mm blades
Neu 1107h/2y motor on 4s with 14t pinion at 75% on esc setting
Jazz 40LV esc
CC bec on 6v
Around 3350HS

OK, I was having the power cut out on me, very briefly.

So I decided to hook up my eagle tree data logger.

My MAX amps was 63.15 CRAZY!!!

Guess my Jazz 40LV isn't enough for this thing.

Any thoughts here?? My esc is barely warm !! So it's not overheating. Just not big enough???

I was just hovering and straight up punch outs. No 3D. Don't wanna try it now with this setup...Might put her in.
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03-31-2010 05:36 PM  10 years ago
inkspot1967

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get a cc ice50 lite problem solved
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03-31-2010 05:39 PM  10 years ago
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I like the gov mode on the Jazz though Mike. I fly Jive's in my other machines. I'm thinking I'll get the Jazz 55LV. That should work. I just thought the 40LV would be plenty for a 450 sized machine.

And your were right Mike. This little thing is nice on 4s!!
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03-31-2010 07:19 PM  10 years ago
Wingman77

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your pinion is way too big, that would be geared for over 4k you need to drop to an 11 or 12t pinion.
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03-31-2010 07:41 PM  10 years ago
littleman

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whats the KV on the motor?
Don't discount the CC gov mode anymore. The other advantage of an ICE is that you will no longer need the eagle tree, as the ICE has its own logging software.
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03-31-2010 07:43 PM  10 years ago
Wingman77

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there is nothing wrong with your esc, your motor is not really made for 4s and if you want to run 4s with it you need to drop that pinion way down.
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03-31-2010 07:58 PM  10 years ago
littleman

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the 2y is only 3100kv, in all reality on 4s with a 14t that isnt all that bad. I guess my secnd Q is how much pitch are you running?
Wingman,
how did you come up with a 4K hs?
A.J.
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03-31-2010 08:04 PM  10 years ago
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03-31-2010 08:09 PM  10 years ago
littleman

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Oh my fault I was looking at the Non H series.
So by my calculations at 90% effeicency on his setup the hs is a shade under 3600 which is overkill for sure. 3400 is about as high as I would ever run, and to be honest with 350's 3400 doesnt fly any better than 3200-3300, it just shortens flights. IMO having to drop your gov setting to 75% is rediculous when you can drop a pinion size and have over 3300, which is more then adequate.
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03-31-2010 08:18 PM  10 years ago
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13t
I'll put the 13t back on and data log it again and let you guys know. The Jazz esc's shouldn't be ran over 85% throttle curve. You need to leave headroom for the gov. At 85% on a 13t I'll be at 3300HS. So let me try that and I'll get back to you guys shortly and that amp draw.
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03-31-2010 08:20 PM  10 years ago
inkspot1967

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i agree anything over 3200-3300 is over kill
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03-31-2010 08:48 PM  10 years ago
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I'll have to get back to you guys tomorrow. Not gonna have time to mess with it anymore today.....
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03-31-2010 10:37 PM  10 years ago
twinpeak

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Ok, here's my set up.

Rave 450 350mm blades
Neu 1107h/2y motor on 4s with 14t pinion at 75% on esc setting
Jazz 40LV esc
CC bec on 6v
Around 3350HS

OK, I was having the power cut out on me, very briefly.

So I decided to hook up my eagle tree data logger.

My MAX amps was 63.15 CRAZY!!!

Guess my Jazz 40LV isn't enough for this thing.

Any thoughts here?? My esc is barely warm !! So it's not overheating. Just not big enough???

I was just hovering and straight up punch outs. No 3D. Don't wanna try it now with this setup...Might put her in.
How funny, I have EXACTLY the same setup (FBL with Gyrobot 900)
exept: I run the Jazz 55-6-18, also with a seperate CC BEC.
The Jazz 40 will handle peaks around 60A but you are realy looking for trouble using it permanently outside the specifications set by Kontronik. As the NEU motor takes anything you throw at it, I would switch to the Jazz 55, leave on the 14t pinion and set the head speed at around 3100 (the Jazz´s work flawlesĺy even when the governor mode is set at 50%). You will be more than pleased, beleive me.
David
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03-31-2010 10:40 PM  10 years ago
inkspot1967

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or save more then half the money and just get the cc ice50 lite.
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03-31-2010 10:58 PM  10 years ago
Wingman77

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lol ink he can't save what he has already spent
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03-31-2010 11:03 PM  10 years ago
inkspot1967

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the Jazz 40LV is not going to cut it so he needs a new one like i said save money get the castle........
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03-31-2010 11:12 PM  10 years ago
Wingman77

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I use a castle 35 and it works just fine
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04-01-2010 12:48 AM  10 years ago
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Kontronik only for me.
It's not the money. It's how Kontronik out performs everything else! Ink, that 700e you sold me. I dumped the CC 110HV and put in a Jive 80+HV. It flies even better if you can believe that!!!
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04-01-2010 08:00 AM  10 years ago
twinpeak

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I agree, I also run other ESC´s but nearly nothing comes close to the governor mode of the Jazz/Jive, certainly not CC. The only other brand which realy work fine in governer mode are ESC´s from YGE http://www.yge.de

David
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04-01-2010 01:28 PM  10 years ago
Chuck Bole

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I'm running a Jazz 40 on 4S w/ Scorpion -10 works flawlessly..
chuck
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