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03-29-2010 08:37 PM  10 years ago
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DIJ

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Is the Logo 400 + vbar right for me?
Seriously thinking about buying a Logo 400 + vbar and would welcome any opinions before I commit to it.

I have the usual assortment of heli’s from 450 to 90 and the Trex 500 is without a doubt my favourite. With that in mind I’m looking for another 500 size heli and I’m drawn towards the Logo 400 and having done some research I found that most people have only positive things to say about it
I have never flown a FBL or Logo heli, so will I be impressed with the 400 vbar, and can any one tell me how it compares to the Trex 500 flybarred.

Any input greatly appreciated
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03-29-2010 08:53 PM  10 years ago
mmc205

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I have (had) both the logo 400 vbar and the trex 500 flybarred. The trex seemed to fly a bit lighter (it was about 2 oz lighter all up) but once i flew both a lot, i sold the trex 500 and continue to beat on the logo 400 (although it shows no signs of wear after 100+ flights). Enough said?***Logo 600 vbar***Henseleit TDR vbar***
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03-29-2010 09:00 PM  10 years ago
DIJ

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thanks, thats the kind of info I'm looking for.
I guess I would also sell the trex 500 if the 400 turned out to be everthing it promises. I just don't want to sell it before I try the Logo in case I don't end up being impressed by it. The 400 is also a lot dearer so I want to be pretty sure before I do go ahead with it.
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03-29-2010 09:09 PM  10 years ago
flymustangs

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I've flown helis from a TREX 250 up to a 90 size turbine, including a Logo 500, and my Logo 400 vbar is still my favorite. I think it's because it's just the right balance of size, agility and low maintenance. The only issue I've had is when I went from a standard vbar to the mini. There were some issues with the mounting on the mini, which is well documented now. Once that was sorted out it was back to the same great heli.
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03-29-2010 09:12 PM  10 years ago
Steff Giguere

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I bought a Logo 500SE, after flying in I sold my N9 and am building a Logo 600 3D, and playing around with the idea of selling my T-Rex 500 to get a Logo 400 V-bared...Go for it you will want to sell everything else.Team Synergy, Rail blades, Team Scorpion, V-Team
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03-29-2010 10:56 PM  10 years ago
jphilli

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The Logo 400 rules! Here's mine from last year:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVLU52luK28

I would highly recommend flying one but with that being said, I just got a 600 and don't plan on flying the 400 anytime soon.
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03-30-2010 04:58 AM  10 years ago
ElectricSheep

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Keep in mind that the Logo 400 doesn't have a driven tail, so your tail stops spinning once you hit throttle hold. There are pros and cons to this debated on many other threads (and with many different helis).

You can still auto, but if you like to do aerobatic pirouetting autos then you'll be out of luck. You can of course still auto with full elevator and aileron control. I have both the Logo 400 and T-Rex 500. I don't fly the T-Rex 500 at all any more and I should have sold it a long time ago. Basically I got tired of parts here and there wearing out after every few dozen flights. That's not the case with the Logo 400.
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03-30-2010 05:47 AM  10 years ago
jphilli

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Sucks about non-driven tail with the 400 but I've still done many inverted autos with it and have seen others do the same.
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03-30-2010 06:52 AM  10 years ago
misfits0311

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Out with the old:

In with the new:

And I'm not looking back either!!!
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03-30-2010 08:07 AM  10 years ago
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I think you've come to the wrong forum if you want unbiased advice So here's mine!

They are fantastic helis. I have only briefly flown a T500, so can't rate the two in terms of performance, but the build quality of the L400 seems much tougher. Despite the plastic components (which are surprisingly strong) and lack of bling (over-rated anyway) the humble L400 has a simple and strong design. It's fairly beefy in the right places such as the main shaft, blade grips and boom, and I understand several of its components are borrowed from its bigger brothers. They are also very hard wearing. I haven't replaced a single item on mine due to wear (or crashing touch wood) in 250 flights, oh, except a chipped main gear tooth from a hard auto landing.

The flight characteristics with the Vbar are impeccable. It simply goes where it is pointed until you tell it otherwise, very much like a sim model. The added weight compared to the T500 I feel gives it a bigger heli feel and makes it sturdy in moderate winds, though of course the exact weight depends on battery choice. The slightly wider blade grip spacing compared to the T500 probably helps somewhat with the big feel and wind performance too.

I don't have a huge budget for this hobby so only have 1 heli at a time. I therefore did a lot of research before getting the L400, and I'm very glad I did. I can only imagine what its bigger brothers are like.

Good luck with your L400.
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03-30-2010 10:32 AM  10 years ago
DIJ

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That’s a great response from you guys and all very much appreciated
I think I have pretty much made my mind up so will start a new thread for the setup questions I have.
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03-30-2010 11:39 AM  10 years ago
Wogboy

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Those parts are all tried and tested and will work well. I am running exactly the same setup on mine, with the BLS251. Full size tail servos work well on this heli.

The default frames should fit Futaba, but check with your supplier which are included in the kit, as there are also frames for JR/Hitec.

You'll probably want to start with an 18 or 19T pinion. My setup is 18T, 2650rpm and flying for 5 minutes, consuming around 2100mAh. This is at 77% throttle governed (but I don't think there's much governing capacity at that %), though my datalogger graphs read more like a flat 100% curve. The ESC runs very cool though.

If you are planning to use the BEC in the ESC, I cannot vouch for it as I've been using a WR BEC. Haven't heard much about the ESC's BEC to be honest, so it may be completely fine.

No additional parts will need upgrading to make it fly well, it's not like some other brand!
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03-30-2010 11:50 AM  10 years ago
DIJ

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I have only used align Esc’s and never in governor mode as they are known to be a pain. So presumably the A40 12S esc governor works ok, with no tail wags etc?
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03-30-2010 06:07 PM  10 years ago
misfits0311

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Castle Creations Phoenix ICE 75A = good ESC on a budget
Kontronics = awesome ESC at a big price though

I have the CC ICE 75A and it was a breeze to setup up on the computer. For my budget it works just fine.
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03-30-2010 08:48 PM  10 years ago
DIJ

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Just had a quick look at the Ice ESC and it seems quite good.

Another question,I already have an Align 75a (RCE-BL75G) ESC and an Align 6A (RCE-B6X) BEC from my Trex 600e, would these be ok to use with the set up I’ve listed?
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03-30-2010 09:30 PM  10 years ago
misfits0311

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Align ESCs aren't reliable. I had one go bad after 20 flights. The ICE ESC does data logging too which is good to find out exactly what is going on with your heli. There are a lot of adjustable parameters in the software that allows you to program it to your liking.

The stock BEC in the ICE ESC has adjustable voltage output and reliable for that size heli. Anything bigger (Logo 500 or 600) would require a CC BEC Pro to be safe.
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03-30-2010 10:50 PM  10 years ago
Wogboy

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Yes, never had any wag with my setup.
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03-30-2010 11:18 PM  10 years ago
torch

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I run a Logo 400 V-bar with a Castle Creations HV85 ESC, CC BEC, Scorpion HK-3026-1600 V2 motor, and 18 tooth pinion for 2700 to 2800 head speed. This setup gives ridiculous amounts of power, more than I could ever use. I get about 4 min of mild 3D using Kong Power 2600mAh 26C packs and I put back around 1900mAh when I recharge them.

The governor in the Castle ESC is awesome. I have not experienced any tail wags and it holds the head speed like a champ. Best ESC for the money IMHO. I have never had any problems with this set up at all.

Just my 2 cents

torch
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03-31-2010 12:12 AM  10 years ago
misfits0311

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+1

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03-31-2010 12:37 AM  10 years ago
torch

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Hey misfits0311, what kv Scorpion and pinion are you running? I am thinking of changing to the ICE 75 ESC from the HV85 ESC and was wondering if it was worth it?

thanks

torch
Logo 400 V-Bar, Trex 700E V-Bar
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