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03-31-2010 12:04 AM  10 years ago
windy62

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The overzealous LEFT is what is trying to take over our country, to CHANGE our freedoms, to TRY to take them away.

It requires the VIGILANCE of the people to INSURE that they keep their rights, to INSURE that those who would turn our country into something that it was never meant to be will NOT succeed.

ONE little law, ONE little change, at a time, OVER time, is the threat.
Ya, to the point of being fanatical about it
Is the willingness to risk your LIFE for your Country considered Fanatical?
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03-31-2010 12:07 AM  10 years ago
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SMITTY: Oh I know you're not a gun control guy. Are they over-zealous??? Yeah, maybe they are. But you know what??? They HAVE to be. The majority of people in this country are pro-gun. But here in America, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Our Pols don't give a crap what we want, just look at the health care deal. They do as they please. That's where the NRA comes in. They have the power, the influence and the money to stop the left wind from even getting started on gun issues. You HAVE to know that if the NRA wasn't as influential as they are, that Obama would've outlawed guns on his first day in office. He doesn't even bring it up. No coincidence there. He won't win and he'll really burn himself with a lot of citizens.
THAT is what the NRA is good for.
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03-31-2010 12:20 AM  10 years ago
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The kkk isnt gone so yeah i guess i am.
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03-31-2010 12:23 AM  10 years ago
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After a VERY littel bit of research, I found this,
A cartoon history of the United States comes next, on the theme that American gun owners are racist. The Second Amendment is said to have been written "so every white man could keep his gun." Actually, at the time of the Second Amendment, every state allowed free people of color to own guns. Moreover, anti-slavery activist Lysander Spooner would later use the Second Amendment as part of his argument to show that slavery was unconstitutional. Gun prohibition, he argued, is a condition of slavery; the Second Amendment guarantees the right of all people to own guns; hence slavery, and its attendant gun prohibition, are unconstitutional.

The audience is now informed that the National Rifle Association was founded in 1871, "the same year the Klan became an illegal terrorist organization." The voice-over says that this was just a coincidence, but the cartoon shows gun owners helping Klansmen to murder blacks.

The phrasing of the Klan line leaves some viewers with the impression that the Klan was created in 1871, even though the group was founded in 1866 in Tennessee. What happened in 1871 was congressional passage of the Ku Klux Klan Act, which allowed the president to suppress the Klan by denying Klansmen the writ of habeas corpus. (The Klan was, of course, composed of men who fought on the losing, pro-slavery side of the Civil War.)

President Ulysses S. Grant signed the Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871 into law, and worked for the rapid extermination of that terrorist organization. Grant dispatched federal troops into South Carolina, Louisiana, and Florida to destroy the Klan and to protect black voting rights. In an April 1872 report to Congress, Grant pointed out the continuing problem in some southern counties of the Ku Klux Klan attempting "to deprive colored citizens of their right to bear arms and the right of a free ballot."

President Grant also signed the Enforcement Act of 1870, which made it a federal crime for the Ku Klux Klan or similar conspiracies to interfere with the civil rights of freedmen — including their Second Amendment right to arms.

Frederick Douglass justly called Grant "the benefactor of an enslaved and despised race, a race who will ever cherish a grateful remembrance of his name, fame and great services."

The 1871 founders of the National Rifle Association were thus diametrically opposed to the Confederates who founded the KKK. The NRA founders were Union officers who had fought on the winning, anti-slavery side of the Civil War. Dismayed by the poor quality of Union marksmanship during the war, the NRA's founders aimed to improve the shooting skills of the American public at large. The first NRA president was Ambrose E. Burnside, who had served as commander of the Army of the Potomac.

Ulysses Grant left the presidency in 1877, but continued his long career of public service in retirement. In 1883, he was elected president of the National Rifle Association. From 1871 until the end of the century, nine of the NRA's ten presidents had fought against slavery during the Civil War. These included Gen. Winfield Scott Hancock, a hero of Gettysburg, and Gen. Phillip Sheridan, the famous Union cavalry commander. During Reconstruction, Gen. Sheridan served as military governor of Louisiana and Texas, and removed hundreds of local officials (including the governors of both states, and the chief justice of the Texas supreme court) from office for failing to respect the rights of freedmen and for failing to enforce laws for their protection.
Apparently esmith gets his facts from "Bowling for Columbine"....LOL..
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03-31-2010 12:35 AM  10 years ago
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No he formed his opinions based on what he sees in our media.
I would bet just about anything that if a Klansman showed up to an official NRA meeting of any type, he'd soundly get his butt kicked before being booted into the street. It's just not who the NRA is. Never was either. They do an awful lot of gun and hunting education.
The KKK is full of uneducated idiots. The NRA on the other hand is populated with law abiding, working citizens making sure their rights are not taken away. Big diff between the two organizations.
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03-31-2010 12:40 AM  10 years ago
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Fla are you really saying you KNOW "Obama would've outlawed guns on his first day in office."

And then telling me the reason your certian of this.... your proof so to speak..... Is that he hasn't said anything about it one way or the other???

Tell me I'm missing something here? Cause I'm gonna call you on just bashing on Obama without any real facts. If he does something thats one thing but to put words and actions on him he didn't say or do???

To Windy, I would respond that if you need to keep pounding it home over and over it's because you are seeing peoples attutide towards firearms changing. SOME of you are overly passionate I think to make up for those who don't really see gun ownership being the hinge on which freedom swings. If things in the USA should always stay the way the founders intended, then you still think you should be able to keep slaves then right? and females?, shouldn't respond to any of this because you would aslo say they have no right to vote right?

In reality your forefathers built in the system of amendments because they knew society would evolve over time. Pretty smart group you had there. It was ALWAYS meant to change.

(As an aside, if you saw freedom as being the right to issue your own currency as your forefathers did, then just maybe you wouldn't have given up your real freedom so easily, not a single shot fired over that one, where was the NRA when it was REALLY needed? I mean what's the point of everyone owning guns if you have no idea when you need to use them?)

To my regret, we have gun control here in Canada. I regret it because it cost's a lot and is ineffective towards crime, and I pay taxes. Now, If I want to be a gun collector, as two of my friends are and many others I know are. I can do that. If I want to just go out right now and shoot a handgun or rifle I can go over to the West Edmonton Mall, just a short walk from my home and be doing in within 30 minutes of leaving my front door, Or if I didn't want the retail environment of that shooting range, I could go to one of the many clubs and ranges to do so.

So, Do you really think it is the NRA that is providing your ability to do those things as you suggest because we got no NRA up here and yet seem to have all the same events, as well as hunting.

How do you explain that if the NRA is required to keep everyone in check?

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03-31-2010 12:46 AM  10 years ago
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Your Mr. Moore, just like Rush, Coulter, Palin, Gore and the lot of them are entertainers. He's just on the other side of most issues so your willing to admit he's a clown.

FWIW, I wouldn't rely on him for facts.

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03-31-2010 12:58 AM  10 years ago
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NRA = KKK after the Klan act was introduced. A rose by any other name..... Bunch of racests.
OK, so please tell us where you got THIS "fact"?
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03-31-2010 02:16 AM  10 years ago
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I read that long ago, I remember a discussion about the NRA being pro white and a lot of members of the NRA were discussing it and the overall theme that kept coming up was that the group was overwhelmingly white conservative and that the issue of gun control was only an issue to white america. You really didn't see many other races at the rallies. There were statments about keeping guns in the hands of WHITE america. That was the theme, and they said it not me.

So, the more I thought about it the more the regrouping under a different flag makes sense and of course they would never endorse the KKK publicly, that would defeat the whole purpose of becomming legitimate in the first place. So logic led me here, give me something to make me think differently.

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03-31-2010 02:29 AM  10 years ago
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So basically you heard a discussion and decided to grasp on to what was said with no facts? Makes sense.

The NRA being equated to the KKK has the same roots as people criticizing Obama as being racists. In other words from the minds of moonbat liberal morons.

The fact of the matter is there are a large group of people in this country who would love to outlaw each and every gun. The NRA is not a perfect organization, but it is the leader in preventing it from happening in the US. For the record there have been plenty of black people at the open carry rallys, its just not a popular view the media likes to show.

Now if you want to talk about something with racist roots lets talk about gun control. Pick a country from Nazi Germany to the United States, gun control was often used to control a "lesser race".

http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/cramer.racism.html
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03-31-2010 02:39 AM  10 years ago
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I ask for FACTS, and I get
I read that long ago, I remember a discussion about the NRA being pro white and a lot of members of the NRA were discussing it and the overall theme that kept coming up was that the group was overwhelmingly white conservative and that the issue of gun control was only an issue to white america. You really didn't see many other races at the rallies. There were statments about keeping guns in the hands of WHITE america. That was the theme, and they said it not me.
At LEAST you could look it up on wikipedia, I mean come ON!!

You read what YOU wanted to read into it, and made ASSUMPTIONS about what you thought you read.

Probably from some anti-gun propaganda piece of work.

Without FACTS to back up a statement like, "NRA = KKK after the Klan act was introduced. A rose by any other name..... Bunch of racests.", just makes YOU look like the ignorant one....
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03-31-2010 02:39 AM  10 years ago
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There were statments about keeping guns in the hands of WHITE america. That was the theme, and they said it not me.
Then, where did they say that at an NRA rally? Provide us with a video?? Provide us with a newspaper article??? Anything???
So logic led me here, give me something to make me think differently.
Thats not logic. Its more like:

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03-31-2010 02:46 AM  10 years ago
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So logic led me here, give me something to make me think differently.
Read some HISTORY, Look it up from a RESPECTED source, not a MORON like Michael Moore, FREE your mind from the CRAP being fed to you by the left (or right in your case), find your OWN truth.
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03-31-2010 05:16 AM  10 years ago
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OK smitty....gotcha on this one. Look up what he was doing in Chicago. He was very anti-gun. VERY anti-gun. I don't KNOW he would've made that his first action (I was being a little dramatic), but don't you think it's odd that a guy with his history on guns, has NEVER brought up gun control??? It's because it's a losing battle. Actually, with things going as sideways as they are right now, I believe more Americans are Pro-gun now than ever.
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03-31-2010 05:27 AM  10 years ago
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Smitty...Round 2, here we go. I might agree the NRA is mostly white. Ya know why?? Because probably 99% of people that hunt here are white (I've NEVER met a black guy that hunts). Never met a collector that wasn't white. I've never met a minority period that was into firearms. The only minorities I've know that were into firearms, didn't care if they were legal or not. Before you blow up, I'm NOT saying that there's not PLENTY of us white folk running around with illegal guns shooting and robbing.
A parallel I might draw for you is when people complain about there not being more blacks in golf. Drives me nuts because then the next thing is for them to say the sport is racist because there aren't enough blacks. How does that make any sense?? Baseball: there used to be a ton of blacks in baseball. The number of blacks in baseball now is the lowest it's been since Jackie Robinson. Does that make baseball racist??
The NRA is there to stand up for our 2nd amendment rights. Just because the majority of the people that belong to the NRA are white, does not make it racist.
You make some good points here and there, but I'm gonna say it, you're way off base on this topic.

EDIT: I'll go one more. I'll bet MAYBE 1% of the AMA membership is minority. Does that make RC modelers racist??? I know for a fact that any place and anyone I've ever flown with, would welcome minorities with open arms. How 'bout hockey??? Swimming, archery, horseback riding....I could go on and on.
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03-31-2010 08:01 AM  10 years ago
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If you go to the big gun show in Tulsa you will see a perfect cross section of America. Every race, sex, and age group is there engaged in polite commerce and communication.
Eleven acres of guns and people under one roof and I've never felt safer anywhere else in the world.
And we have free speach for everyone too!
What a country!
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03-31-2010 11:45 AM  10 years ago
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I need to make that show in Tulsa. Funny thing, I lived in Tulsa for 11 years and never made it to the show.

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03-31-2010 01:24 PM  10 years ago
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Your statement spooks me. Why would you want to carry concealed?
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What are you afraid of Bob?
O.K., here's a kid not yet even 21 wanting to carry a concealed weapon. Will it make him a bigger man? Give him the confidence he doesn't have? If he lived in a large city rather then in Montana, he would probably wind up dead.

In my opinion, nobody really "wants" to carry a concealed weapon unless their environment warrants it. My Grand Father carried a snub nose .38 all of his adult life. Why? He was a business owner and carried the days earnings to the bank every day. I got the gun when he passed on and discovered he never fired it.
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03-31-2010 02:35 PM  10 years ago
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trace - you hit the nail my friend. I want to get a permit now while I can. Will I carry??? Not right now because I don't feel it's warranted. But you know, someday I might feel differently. As you said, most people don't WANT to carry, but for some, it's a necessity.
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03-31-2010 03:05 PM  10 years ago
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It doesn't require a BIG town to have someone come into your home and kill you.

http://www.wsbt.com/news/local/84280962.html

Having a weapon handy can prevent some crime..

http://www.examiner.com/x-5619-Atla...ery-in-Kennesaw

One could pull these up ALL day, but the point still is, gun crime is committed by criminals. Gun laws do NOT keep criminals from having guns. Period. So you can either be the lamb that gets eaten or the shepherd who protects them.
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