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03-30-2010 07:47 PM  10 years ago
SSN Pru

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I am not a religous freak
Noted, thank you.

Why doesn't god just turn all those nasty scary people in this world into nice people then?

Criminals don't discriminate between the religous and non-religious.
Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!
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03-30-2010 07:50 PM  10 years ago
George Matthews

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ScottV,
Obviously you don't realize that the Constitution is a document based on the basic thought that God has given us rights to individual freedom and not the government.
The government grants no rights, that is not for the government to decide. And yes God does give me the right to protect myself and my family, the government surely doesn't.
This country was based on a common understanding that God is part of our daily life, gun or no gun.
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03-30-2010 08:10 PM  10 years ago
eSmith

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Wrong George, god was NOT written into the constitution nor did her have a say in what is in it, in FACT, he was left out on purpose.

Your founding fathers were mostly atheist and did not want religion intefering with government. Freedom of religion mean freedom FROM religion as much as it means you are free to believe whatever you want.

God gave you no rights. In fact, there is no proof a god even exists so it's all just fables and make believe.

The constitution on the other hand, created by your founding fathers and not the boogyman DID specificly grant the right to bear arms.

Just so you know, although I really don't see the need for carrying a gun, that could just be because of where I live and I fully support the rights of others to lawfully own firearms. Heck, I wouldn't even ban the scarry guns, just maybe a few scarry people.

It's never the guy who registers his gun thats the problem, it's always the guy who didn't.

That said, a lot of people do take it too far, the whole NRA chasing down gun violence so they can swoop in and promote pro gun rallys in areas where tragedy has struck and the dead are not yet burried just shows the whole lot of them as classless idiots. Heston included.

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03-30-2010 08:17 PM  10 years ago
George Matthews

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Your getting God and religion confused.
Yes the founding fathers wanted to keep religion out of the government but not God.
God is part of who we are as a country.
Religion is just a man made way to control the sheep.
And can you prove that most of the founders of our nation where atheists ?
That my friend is a bold statement for someone whom the constitution is even a factor.
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03-30-2010 08:20 PM  10 years ago
Dennis (RIP)

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But if God had any say in it he would probably tell you not to carry a gun and that there should be no guns at all. So I really doubt God gave you the right to carry a gun.
No he didn't. But the 2nd amendment did.

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03-30-2010 08:22 PM  10 years ago
Dennis (RIP)

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That said, a lot of people do take it too far, the whole NRA chasing down gun violence so they can swoop in and promote pro gun rallys in areas where tragedy has struck and the dead are not yet burried just shows the whole lot of them as classless idiots.
Show us where that happened smitty?

Or, are you sticking your foot in your mouth again?
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03-30-2010 09:02 PM  10 years ago
heliflyer100

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Bob, there are bad people in MT too. we have "gangs" that do stuff i could need a gun for.
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03-30-2010 09:45 PM  10 years ago
eSmith

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NRA = KKK after the Klan act was introduced. A rose by any other name..... Bunch of racests.

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03-30-2010 09:58 PM  10 years ago
heliflyer100

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I'm sorry to say this eSmith but being from Canada, you may not have all the answers to the American Constitution. Not saying anything bad about Canada, but I dont think this is your place to put your two cents.
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03-30-2010 10:08 PM  10 years ago
eSmith

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Imagine, an American telling others to get out of another countries business..... Anyone else see the irony in that.

Tell me, why is it you guys are so sensitive to others who read your constitution? I think those of you trying to drive me off are doing so because although you have opinions, you never really did read your constitution, don't know squat about your own founding fathers OR the state of the psudo-freedom in your country and just hate to get hit with the facts from someone who SHOULDN'T know more about the history of your country.... BUT DOES.

BTW, this is the place for me to put my $.02. It's the off topic politics area of an international RC heliucopter forum. Go to some American politics website if you want to keep others out. This is a public forum, stop trying to censor people, WHAT!?!

Do you think it's the "Applies to us but not to others Constitution" when it comes to free speech??

Heliflyer, what's you opinion on the NRA being created out of the ashes of the KKK? Are you saying I am wrong?

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03-30-2010 10:08 PM  10 years ago
A. Bundy

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Woooooooooow esmith.I got into shooting as a wim in 1991.I came from a anti firearm family.I will say the most of the people you run in the competitive shooting circles are good,hard working people with a strong sense of self-reliance and respect for the law.I don't associate with racists either.
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03-30-2010 10:08 PM  10 years ago
Dennis (RIP)

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eSmith
NRA = KKK after the Klan act was introduced. A rose by any other name..... Bunch of racests.
Moron.
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03-30-2010 10:22 PM  10 years ago
Chris Bergen

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Talk about painting a picture with broad strokes....

Ok esmith, then according to YOU, all members of the NRA are Racist?

Wanting to protect the right that we as AMERICANS have to keep and bear arms is Racist?

Wanting to educate on the proper use and care of firearms is Racist?

PLEASE explain that one to me...

Did you know that Australia was once used as a Penal colony? I suppose then that means that all Australians are criminals.....

See how that doesn't work?
Chris D. Bergen
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03-30-2010 10:29 PM  10 years ago
fla heli boy

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shhhh.....psst, I wonder if smitty knows that the KKK was actually started by southern Democraps????
Smitty, I get a kick out of ya most of the time, but associating the KKK with the NRA is WAY out there, even for you. I've been involved off and on with NRA programs since I was 10 years old, my father has shot competitively involving the NRA since the 50's. I can tell you from tons of direct experience, that nothing could be further from the truth.
Legal gun owners, involved with the NRA are, for the most part, really great people that believe in their right to own firearms and are willing to protect that right.
I'll take an NRA member as my neighbor or friend any day over and ACLU or NAACP member. NAACP - you wanna talk about a racist organization???
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03-30-2010 10:49 PM  10 years ago
eSmith

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Chris, I am not opposed to responsible gun ownership. I was clear on that. I did not mention individual members but IN FACT the NRA was derived as a replacement for displaced KKK members.

I do NOT think ALL NRA members are racest.

But some members, obviously not aware of the roots of the club they pay to join must be largly ignorant of the history of the NRA if they don't know of the link to the KKK.

The NRA was never created to educate ANYONE on the proper use of firearms anymore than John Gotti got into the Mob so he could set up soup kitchens for the poor in his neighborhood. (He did set up many and also gave out turkeys to poor families at thanksgiving) It was created to oppose ANY laws agains fire arms NO MATTER HOW MUCH SENSE THEY MAKE. What does that tell you? Closed minded comes to mind for me.

There are gangs in prisons that will help young muslems get off drugs (before turning them into terroists) Should they be commended for that or is it just one good byproduct from a group know primarily for bad things?

The right to bear arms is yours, it's in the constitution. The NRA doesn't proivide that for you, they would just like you to think so and give them credit for it (along with dues and donations). Wanting to protect your rights has nothing to do with the NRA. If you joined for that reason, you were misled, regardless of your good intentions.

I am not against guns, I am not against responsible gun ownership. I'm just not big on the NRA and regardless of it's current activities, it has a racest past that potential members should know about and decide on by themselves.

Do you think that no NRA members are racest? Aware of the roots?

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03-30-2010 10:58 PM  10 years ago
eSmith

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that believe in their right to own firearms and are willing to protect that right.
Ya, to the point of being fanatical about it. If a small town or, oh, say a large town for that matter, with elected officials wants to pass a bylaw controlling guns because the area is seeing a huge rise in gun crime, and the people all vote it in, why does the NRA parachute in and file lawsuits and start rallies to deny these people thier safety?

You have the right to have guns, Why do you also want the right to deny others the ability to avoid them.

And for a group that keeps pointing out I'm not American, you would think you could clue into the fact I'm not a democrat either..... But I guess as a liberal your mind is set huh?

-eSmith.
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03-30-2010 11:29 PM  10 years ago
MPA

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"Australia was once used as a Penal colony"
History eh.
The reason Australia was used to take the convicts was that America would no longer take them after the War of Independence.
Up to that point convicts were sent to America.
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03-30-2010 11:47 PM  10 years ago
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with elected officials wants to pass a bylaw controlling guns because the area is seeing a huge rise in gun crime, and the people all vote it in, why does the NRA parachute in and file lawsuits and start rallies to deny these people thier safety?
Boy, this point REALLY doesn't get across to some people does it...

#1, it is ALREADY a crime to use a gun during the commission of a crime, such as robbery, it's now ARMED Robbery with a stiffer penalty. Therefore passing ANOTHER law to "control" guns makes ZERO sense!!!

#2, you can pass ALL the Gun "control" laws you want, guess who will STILL have guns? Ding, ding, THE CRIMINALS!!

#3 Gun control laws ONLY remove guns from LAW abiding citizens and does NOTHING to controlling Gun Crime.

So that equates to removing all the guns from Law Abiding citizens, the criminals still have their guns (as they OBVIOUSLY do not care WHAT the "Law" says), so WHO is going to protect me and my family at 2 in the morning when the bad guys comes a knockin?
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03-30-2010 11:52 PM  10 years ago
fla heli boy

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NOW WAIT A MINUTE SMITTY!!!!! Let me get this straight. The NRA was formed for displaced KKK members??? How does this make any sense??? The KKK was overwhelmingly a southern Democratic group. Now, don't know if you know this, but most Dems (Libs) are very anti-gun. What you're saying does not make any sense.
Now I realize that the demographics of the KKK has changed, but I KNOW the demo.'s of the NRA has NOT. The NRA has ALWAYS been a very conservative group as a whole.
For a long time I thought the KKK was a Republican piece of history until I read up and watched a lot of programming on them as a group. That falls squarely on the Democrats - to my relief BTW.

EDIT: OK, the NRA doesn't do anything??? Hmm, let me see. I attended a NRA youth father/son hunting program along with my father, where they taught me gun safety and hunting rules. They also taught me to shoot skeet and indoor target shooting. A year later, my best friend and I joined the local rifle club (again, NRA) where we would spend every Saturday shooting competitive indoor rifle - for 3 years. This is one issue where you may be a lot less educated than usual. You may view the NRA as extreme, but if they are (and I don't consider them to be), well then I'm glad they are, because if not for them, we would've lost a lot of our firearm rights years and years ago.
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03-30-2010 11:55 PM  10 years ago
eSmith

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Again, I don't support gun control. I don't think honest people should be restricted because your 100% right, it only applies to honest folk, not criminals. I like the gun laws in the USA a lot more than I do here in Canada but that's a moot point as I don't keep a gun in the house.

I'm against overzealousness is all.

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