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03-14-2010 09:43 PM  8 years agoPost 21
AirWolfRC

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It's not like he was sitting in a lounge chair sipping tea. He went out of his way to put himself in jeopardy. That's what I call "UNreasonable".

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03-14-2010 09:49 PM  8 years agoPost 22
mrloudly

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He'd been out with the hunt. Never mind the tea, he was probably pissed up on Scotch (Bet that's why the woman was driving the car he
turned up in). Speaking of which the poor cow witnessed all of it

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03-14-2010 09:54 PM  8 years agoPost 23
AirWolfRC

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Let me see if I have this right,
. . . he went out looking for trouble, found it, and now you say he's the victim ?

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03-14-2010 10:03 PM  8 years agoPost 24
mrloudly

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I'm not saying anyone's the victim. I'm saying the guy shouldn't have
gone at him in a gyro, just as he shouldn't have been on the airfield.
The courts will decide who the victim is

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03-14-2010 10:37 PM  8 years agoPost 25
Carman9876

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Gyros are not cars though. They don't go 0-60 in 6 seconds. More like 12-15 seconds? The idiot should have gotten out of the way.

If he wouldn't have been out on the air strip trying to start something this never would have happened.

I would take a bet to say he probably had an aggressive personality and didn't want the guy to get away. He got diced for it.

We reep what we sow.

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03-15-2010 02:25 AM  8 years agoPost 26
helibill

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You guys are missing the point, the gyro pilot was fearing for his life; physical attack and possibly from a deadly firearm. He was trying to run away from the situation because the dead guy was kidnapping him and his gyro was his only escape.

If someone was kidnapping me I would go full throttle too. I really don't see the problem, justice has already been served, just a bit quicker than normally.

Quite possible if the gyro stopped, he could have been beaten to death (if you were almost run over by a gyro, I think you would want to kill the pilot!)

Everything changes when the perp threatens or restricts the willful movement of the victim (gyro pilot)

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03-15-2010 02:47 AM  8 years agoPost 27
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Julie Sargeant said Mr Morse was trying to stop the machine from taking off.

Mr Griffiths had been monitoring the Warwickshire Hunt, of which Mr Morse was a committee member, from the air.

The court has heard hunt master Anthony Spencer and Mr Morse had a plan to stop the gyrocopter from taking off when it landed to refuel so they could confront the pilot.

When the pilot did stop at the airfield near Stratford-upon-Avon Mr Morse parked a Land Rover "right up to the nose" of the gyrocopter, Ms Sargeant said.
I think the hunter kinda got what he deserved. it sounds like it was a planned attack to ground the gyro. Horrible situation, but had mr. morse NOT gone to the airfield with the specific action of confronting the pilot it would have never happened.

just one question, What is the problem with the gyro being there in the first place? they were just flying around and video-taping the hunt.

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03-15-2010 03:10 AM  8 years agoPost 28
helibill

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just one question, What is the problem with the gyro being there in the first place, they were just flying around and video-taping the hunt.
My answer to this is Who the hell uses a bloody gyro to do anything? Useless death machines if you ask me, in fact the guy who got chopped up may well have saved a couple lives cause gyros can't fly for ****!

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03-15-2010 05:30 AM  8 years agoPost 29
Carman9876

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+1 To death gyro

Those kill more people...

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03-15-2010 05:39 AM  8 years agoPost 30
ShuRugal

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more people than what? rabid queensakes? if i google search "killed by a gyrocopter" and exclude the current incident, i get zero hits. if i search for "killed by an autogyro" i get no hits even if i dont filter out this incident.

searching "killed in a gyrocopter crash" gets exactly 20 results

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03-15-2010 06:05 AM  8 years agoPost 31
Carman9876

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Don't know where you searched.

Gyrocopter crash kills 1 - Roanoke.com
Oct 7, 2007 ... In that same time period across the country, there were 224 deaths in gyrocopter accidents, according to the database. ...
http://www.roanoke.com/news/nrv/wb/134929 - Cached

They are more deadly than airplanes if you look at the number of airplanes compared to the number of gyros.

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03-16-2010 02:26 AM  8 years agoPost 32
ShuRugal

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oh dear lord! 224 deaths by gyrocopter since 1962!?!?! Quick! write the FAA, those things are killing more people than bunnyrabits!

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03-16-2010 02:44 AM  8 years agoPost 33
Carman9876

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Regardless of the number you were way off. You can figure on average that for every 1 killed 20 are injured.

The FACT is that they are much more dangerous than a plane because there is no margin of error.

You stall and you are dead.

Bottom line. They are a lot more dangerous than planes.

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03-16-2010 03:12 AM  8 years agoPost 34
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I don't know what the fuss is about. The guy wanted to stop the gyro from taking off. Mission accomplished. Suicide by ethical value.

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03-17-2010 08:05 PM  8 years agoPost 35
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Gyrocopter pilot cleared over huntsman death
A gyrocopter pilot has been found not guilty of killing a hunt supporter who was struck by the machine's propeller.

Bryan Griffiths, 55, was acquitted of the manslaughter by gross negligence of Warwickshire Hunt member Trevor Morse at Long Marston airfield in March 2009.

Birmingham Crown Court heard Mr Morse, 48, refused to move as the craft neared him and died instantly when struck.

Mr Griffiths, of Wiltshire Close, Bedworth, had been monitoring the hunt and stopped at the airfield to refuel.

The court was told Mr Morse, a committee member of the Warwickshire Hunt, had driven to the airfield with another hunt supporter to confront Mr Griffiths.

'Imminent danger'
Mr Griffiths said Mr Morse moved his Land Rover to partly block the gyrocopter.

He said he asked him "politely" to move but Mr Morse replied "you are going nowhere".

Mr Griffiths told the court that, while in the air, he believed he had been shot at from the ground and feared a "gang" was on the way to attack him.

He told the court he felt "there was imminent danger" to himself as Mr Morse was speaking on a mobile phone and he feared severe injury "if others turned up".

I am absolutely devastated by this result

Caroline Morse
The incident was filmed by Peter Bunce, who had taken fuel to the airfield.

The jury was shown a video clip in which a voice can be heard telling Mr Morse that he was obstructing take-off and the propellers were then heard to speed up, followed by a bang.

Jurors heard that Mr Morse's head was cut "from top to bottom" by the blade of the gyrocopter.

The rear propellor of the aircraft was moving at a speed approaching 200mph, the court heard.

In an interview, Mr Griffiths had told police he was aiming for a gap when he drove the gyrocopter and the jury were asked to consider this when watching the video.

'Pin it in'

The jury heard that Mr Morse, a road monitor with the hunt, and one of the hunt masters, had "a plan" to prevent the gyrocopter from taking off when it stopped to refuel.

Anthony Spencer, one of the hunt's six masters, said they had agreed to "pin it in" and keep it on the ground so they could take photographs of the pilot.

An eye witness described how Mr Morse arrived at the airfield in his blue Land Rover, which he parked at the nose of the gyrocopter, and began taking pictures.

Michael Tipping, who described himself as an "aviation fanatic", told the court he found Mr Morse's manner "intrusive and aggressive".

Warwickshire Police issued a statement on behalf of Caroline Morse, Mr Morse's partner of 23 years.

Her statement read: "I am absolutely devastated by this result. I am neither pro nor anti hunt.

"It has been a long 12 months since Trevor's tragic death and we are still coming to terms with our loss.

"The family is very grateful for the support we have received from Warwickshire Police throughout this investigation and trial."

'Kill for sport'

Speaking outside the court, the Countryside Alliance's Clare Rowson, talking on behalf of Mr Morse's family and friends, said: "If there is one outcome from these horrific events... it must be that the activity which led to Trevor Morse's death is not repeated.

"It is not for animal rights extremists to police the Hunting Act or any other law, especially not using clearly unsafe things such as a gyrocopter or any other aircraft."

Speaking outside the court, Judy Gilbert, a hunt monitor and friend of Mr Griffiths, said: "We just wanted to say how absolutely delighted and relieved we are that Mr Griffiths has been found not guilty.

"He certainly didn't mean anybody any harm and it's just so sad to us that this tragedy has happened because people want to chase animals for sport and kill them, when it has been made illegal by our parliament."

Jamie Griffith

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03-18-2010 11:50 AM  8 years agoPost 36
GimbalFan (RIP)

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The FACT is that they are much more dangerous than a plane because there is no margin of error.
Wrong. To a skilled operator, a gyrocopter's unpowered rotor is the next best thing to a whole-aircraft parachute system. Gyrocopters autorotate all day.

op-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-t

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03-18-2010 02:59 PM  8 years agoPost 37
fla heli boy

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notice how in there, was a slight to hunting because this guy got killed by an aircraft??? Wow, what will England ban next???

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03-18-2010 06:35 PM  8 years agoPost 38
helibill

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Wrong. To a skilled operator, a gyrocopter's unpowered rotor is the next best thing to a whole-aircraft parachute system.
Wrong. There have been numerous cases of very skilled gyrocopter pilots who crash and die. In fact, because gyrocopters are so uncommon aviation enthusiasts are attracted to them who probably have higher than average flying skills than the weekend flier.

First of all a whole-aircraft parachute system is not the best fail-safe system. They are in fact quite dangerous to the operator. Google the accidents and you will find that the airplane is always destroyed (which doesn't matter; safety first) but, the pilots end up with severe spinal compressions and are often paralyzed because of the impact.

The best fail-safe system is a pair of non-rotating wings on an airplane.

Edit: On second thought, some rotor heads are just nuts..
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c02_1268850857

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03-19-2010 12:21 AM  8 years agoPost 39
GimbalFan (RIP)

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The best fail-safe system is a pair of non-rotating wings on an airplane.
Tell that to any of the many pilots whose lives have been saved by whole-aircraft chutes. Your research 'methods' are sadly lacking and it shows.

op-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-t

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03-19-2010 03:19 AM  8 years agoPost 40
helibill

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Lmao. Those chutes are a joke. Half the pilots who use them are very stupid. "OMG an engine failure, I'll just pull the shoot and land in this massive farm field that any decent pilot could land on"

You can't just bash my knowledge that I have acquired over the years and say a few peoples' lives have been saved. Of course peoples' lives have been saved but the numbers are just too small.

How many hours do you have flying real aircraft Gimbal?

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