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03-13-2010 05:38 PM  8 years agoPost 1
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A GYROCOPTER pilot has told a jury how he feared for his safety during a confrontation with a hunt supporter at an airfield near Stratford.
Bryan Griffiths, 55, told Birmingham Crown Court he thought he would be attacked if he had not got away. He said he was ‘very frightened’’.
Warwickshire Hunt member Trevor Morse, 48, died on March 9 last year at Long Marston airfield when he was hit by gyrocopter’s propeller blades as Griffiths was trying to take off.
</SPAN>Griffiths, of Wiltshire Close, Bedworth, denies manslaughter by gross negligence.
He said he knew some hunt supporters were “absolutely livid” that he was helping to monitor the hunt and that he felt he would be targeted after discovering photographs of his gyrocopter posted on pro-hunt websites.
He said: “It certainly made me realise that if ever I was in a position that they had me or my aircraft things were not going to be good.’’
Mr Morse had been following the last day of the Warwickshire hunt season when he spotted Griffiths’ gyrocopter head off to refuel.
Mr Morse and a passenger raced to the airfield to confront Griffiths as part of a plan to try to detain the pilot and confront him.
But after a tense stand-off he was struck by the propellor blade of Griffiths’ gyrocopter which was rotating at 200mph.
The impact killed Mr Morse instantly.
A video of the incident, shot by animal rights protester Peter Bunce, was shown to jurors at the start of the case.
Griffiths had been using his gyrocopter to allow anti-hunt protestors to allow a passenger to film what was going on below.
While not a member of anti-hunt group he was not paid for the service and funded the fuel costs himself.
Before he landed to refuel, Griffiths told the court that he thought that hunt supporters had taken four shots at his aircraft.
He said: “I saw a puff of light grey smoke coming up from the ground. My first thought was that it was a shotgun. It made me feel nervous.”
Describing the moments after he landed and was confronted by Mr Morse, Griffiths added: “My first reaction was that he has found me. He knows where I am and now he’s telephoning for other people.”
“He was walking up and down on his mobile phone. He was a big man. I felt very frightened.”
“I thought he was bringing other people to the airfield. My anxiety at that point was through the roof.
“My primary concern was to get myself and the aircraft out of there as quickly as possible.”
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03-13-2010 05:51 PM  8 years agoPost 2
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only in england is the victim guilty of murder when his assailant dies....

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03-13-2010 09:16 PM  8 years agoPost 3
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"his assailant"

All the guy did was get angry, he never hit him or pointed a weapon at him. Bit extreme to start up a Gyro and put him thru the prop!

It all happened about 20 miles from here.

Been following it here http://www.bmaa.org/forums/default.aspx?f=15&m=75716

As a full size flyer I believe the Gyro guy was well out of order
even starting the gyro up with an agitated member of the public about!
To then accelerate towards the guy was plain stupid!

Modern shotgun cartridges hardly smoke at all. By law he should be at 500' no way would he of seen smoke... If you thought somebody was shooting at you, would you hang around to let them take 4 shots???

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03-13-2010 09:33 PM  8 years agoPost 4
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So, the guy was trying to interfere with aircraft operations and lost ?

Next time you want to stop the electricity by sticking your finger in the socket, get that on tape also.

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03-13-2010 09:39 PM  8 years agoPost 5
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Was he hit by the 'prop', or the rotor? I'm sure the media wouldn't know the difference.

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03-13-2010 10:34 PM  8 years agoPost 6
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Trevor Morse died instantly when the rear propeller "cleaved his head from top to bottom".

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03-13-2010 11:04 PM  8 years agoPost 7
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Thanks Brokenlink, I obviously missed that. So, it sounds like Mr. Morse caught up to the gyrocopter, not the other way around?

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03-13-2010 11:14 PM  8 years agoPost 8
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I got this from reading the posts furthure down,
Sounds to me as if he tried to stop the gyro by pushing on its nose. Not realising the thrust of a 912 couldn't do it, slipped off, gyro shoots forward, passes down the side, is collected by the undercart, topples into the prop and hacienda.
So it sounds like, he tries to manually stop the gyro copter with his hands by pushing against it as the pilot is trying to take off, {probably trying to leave to avoid fist fighting the dead guy and all of his freinds} then the gyro pushes forward causing him to trip over the trik wheel, when he stands up he does so right into the prop.

Hummm.....I would let the pilot off if I was on the jury.

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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03-14-2010 01:45 AM  8 years agoPost 9
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First rule of self-defence is to try and run away from the confrontation. The pilot was trying to do exactly this. I wouldn't even call it self defence, just an accident, and the dead man was at fault.

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03-14-2010 04:34 AM  8 years agoPost 10
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Another clear cut case of darwanism at work.

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03-14-2010 01:43 PM  8 years agoPost 11
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Unfortunately by law the pilot has a duty of care to those around him. He started the aircraft up and taxied towards the deceased guy in, what would appear to be, a deliberate manner.
Had he already been moving, and the guy ran out in front of him, that would be completely different.
It would be like having a shouting match with somebody in a car park, strapping in and driving straight at and then over them...
As to "self defence", from what? All it was, according to witnesses, was a shouting match. Walk away, don't drive at him with a 100hp blender...

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03-14-2010 06:54 PM  8 years agoPost 12
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And that's why England is in the social mess it is today . . . .

Over here it USED TO be a charge of murder if you shot an intruder in your home at 2:00AM but laws have been passed to let you assume that if he's in your home at 2:00AM uninvited, he's dead meat.

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03-14-2010 07:10 PM  8 years agoPost 13
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We can do that to, the legal term is "Reasonable force" i.e. If some jerk's pointing a weapon of any kind at you, you can shoot, knife do whatever you want. What you can't do is shoot 'em as they're trying to run away.
Can you run somebody over or shoot them after a verbal row about a parking space in the States? That's in effect what happened here!
He accelerated the Gyro straight at him

Britain is still fckud though!

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03-14-2010 07:38 PM  8 years agoPost 14
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The idiot had no business being on the field in the first polace, just like a person has no business walking on the freeway.

He was "interfering with aircraft operations".

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03-14-2010 07:57 PM  8 years agoPost 15
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You can break peoples actions down in two categories.
Fight or flight.

If he was chasing the guy down with the gyro then that would be fight. AKA murder.

If he was trying to get away from the guy and the guy tried to stop him, that would be flight. AKA self defense.

The guy was hunting meaning he probably had a gun too. I wouldn't want to stick around either.

You can see a shotgun smoke even from a distance.

I don't understand why humans always have to blame someone.

And last time I checked gyros are pretty slow and take awhile to get the blades up to speed.

Embrace failure because without it success would be normal.

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03-14-2010 09:05 PM  8 years agoPost 16
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Right... Firstly, it was the rear prop that got him not the rotor blades. Secondly, "Hunting" over here means chasing foxes on horses not shooting. Thirdly, Whilst you can see smoke, just, from shotguns, I doubt very much you'd spot it from 500' up looking thru a helmet visor. Bear in mind also, to legally own a shotgun over here, you will have NO police record, have provided medical reports and references. The "hunt" is followed on the floor by the public, both pro and anti . Had somebody been shooting at aircraft there would be independent witnesses to this, none have come forward...
He had no right to be on the airfield, I agree, just as the pilot had no right to start up, accelerate at him and mince him!

The Gyro pilot had a row with him, got in, started up with him in full view and went for him. The dead guy never laid a finger on him beforehand. Imagine arguing with someone in a car park, getting in your motor and driving straight over him. At the end of the day that's what Gyro boy did!
I agree, had there been a punch up or he'd pulled a shooter do what you will. To mince a guy 'cause you "Don't want to mess with his type"
is a bit O.T.T.!

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03-14-2010 09:09 PM  8 years agoPost 17
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The Gyro pilot had a row with him, got in, started up with him in full view and went for him.
If that's the case, let's see the video or some some other coroboration.

Still, the idiot shouldn't have been on the field trying to interfere with flight operations. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time . . . . by his own choosing . . . . and lost.

I do not subscribe to the notion that people have a right to be stupid.

As John Wayne (Sgt. Stryker) once said,
. . . Life is tough; but it's tougher if you're stupid.

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03-14-2010 09:16 PM  8 years agoPost 18
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The Gyro pilot had a row with him, got in, started up with him in full view and went for him. The dead guy never laid a finger on him beforehand. Imagine arguing with someone in a car park, getting in your motor and driving straight over him. At the end of the day that's what Gyro boy did!
A more accurate comparison would be if the car park you were in had only one exit, and the fellow you were having a shouting match with was George Foreman, and he ad opted to stand in the only exit from the car park as you were trying to leave it.

Cornering someone to shout at them counts as assault.

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03-14-2010 09:28 PM  8 years agoPost 19
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If you pick a fight and lose,doesn't make you the victim

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03-14-2010 09:41 PM  8 years agoPost 20
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He may have picked a fight, the law over here says you may respond with "reasonable force" . I'd argue putting his head thru the prop of a running 912 Rotax may be deemed a bit beyond reasonable...

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