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03-11-2010 09:46 AM  8 years agoPost 1
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just got a my first heli the other day.
money issues limited me in my choice,so got a honey bee v2.
problem i have is i cant get it off the ground completely.
i can get it light on its skids and skate around at about half throttle,but when i give it more,even if i go to full throttle,it
just wont rise any further.the blades do spin faster,but have no real effect other than shove it to a side?

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03-11-2010 12:17 PM  8 years agoPost 2
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What kind of battery? Lipo 3s should get her off the ground. I had a dragonfly 4 a few years agao and the NiMh battery wouldn't fly it. I put a 1000 MAH 3S LipO on there and off she went. Put heat sinks on the motors though as they will run hotter with a hot LiPo in it. If it is this one, it should fly just fine, unless the battery is not charged enough. Don't over discharge a LiPo battery as it will ruin it. In other words, don't run it till it's dead.

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03-11-2010 12:20 PM  8 years agoPost 3
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If it won't lift off that means either the rotor doesn't have enough speed (sounds like it does though), or there isn't enough pitch in the blades. Get yourself a pitch gauge and make sure you have at least 9 degrees of pitch at full collective.

If it can't hover, it ain't worth flying.

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03-11-2010 04:12 PM  8 years agoPost 4
itsVTC

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sorry,should have said its fixed pitch and running a lipo
not new to lipo's,but new to rc

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03-11-2010 04:25 PM  8 years agoPost 5
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The same rule applies to fixed pitch. Either not enough pitch (improbable on an FP), or not enough speed.

Since your heli is FP, then in all likelyhood your problem is related to headspeed. So a few things to check:

- Condition of your battery. Try a different one.
- Motor condition. If it's brushed, and on it's way out, it won't spin quick enough to get your airbourne.
- ESC condition. If it's just not supplying the motor with enough current you won't get up to speed.

It's bound to be one of those 3 things. They're listed in order of what's easiest to check, so start with the battery. If the battery has a few cycles on it, it's possible it's building internal resistance and not supplying the current your heli requires.

If it can't hover, it ain't worth flying.

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03-11-2010 04:40 PM  8 years agoPost 6
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its a brand new heli and battery
i know its a cheap model,but is qc with esky actually that bad?do they normally need work even when new?
im a complete beginner,was hoping that the hours ive spent on the sim would help me to just open the box and start flying.not too clued in on the workings of it all yet

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03-11-2010 04:49 PM  8 years agoPost 7
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After my friend helped me with my mSR and my SR I don't think there's any thing completely ready to fly out of the box. My SR took a bit of tweaking the factory set up to make it better for me to fly. Even past experience with rtf planes that I taught friends to fly, there's still set up that had to be done.

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03-11-2010 04:59 PM  8 years agoPost 8
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thats a bit of a problem for me
the only club anywhere near me is invitation only
dont know anyone else in rc who could give it the once over

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03-11-2010 05:26 PM  8 years agoPost 9
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That sucks being invitation only I would think they would welcome new pilots. I don't suppose that there is a hobby shop close to you with an experienced pilot there either. Anyway there are lots of people here that know their way around a heli and I'm sure will be able to lead you in the right direction.

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03-11-2010 05:32 PM  8 years agoPost 10
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there is 1 rc hobby shop in the city i live in
and guess what,he dont do heli's!

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03-11-2010 07:35 PM  8 years agoPost 11
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Usually invitation only means you need to be invited to join the club. It doesn't mean you'll be shot on sight if you swing by and try to talk with somebody - you probably just won't be allowed to fly there.

That being said, it might not be a bad idea to head down there and see if one of the heli guys would be willing to take a few minutes to help you out.

As for QC.. no company will QC every single part that leaves the factory. Generally they do spot checks. So yes, it's possible you got a bum motor or ESC in your swanky new kit. It happens to eflight too which is a much more reputable company.

Another thing: Even though your LHS doesn't deal with helis specifically batteries, motors and ESCs are pretty common between all forms of RC - so it might be worth bringing your heli down there and asking to mix and match parts to see where your problem is.

Failing that, you can just start PMing some of the members here who are from ireland too and try to find some local help. Here's a couple I got with a quick google search:

aerodynamic18
dickallen
3D Heli Ireland
pgrbff

Good luck.

If it can't hover, it ain't worth flying.

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03-11-2010 08:15 PM  8 years agoPost 12
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excellent
thanks

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03-11-2010 08:36 PM  8 years agoPost 13
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Not sure whether that was sarcastic or not

If you're really stuck and you really have nowhere else to go, you could try taking a video so we can see what's going on. Maybe we'll catch something. Without actually being able to see the heli though, and mix and match parts it's going to be a tough thing to troubleshoot...

If it can't hover, it ain't worth flying.

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03-11-2010 09:15 PM  8 years agoPost 14
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there was no sarcasm,just genuine thanks!
was looking for the manual in the box just now,and found a piece of broken plastic.checked over the heli and i think i see what its off.
dont know what its called,but its similar to a droplink on a car,kinda this shape O----O only half of its connected to the rotor head,other half's in my hand.dont know the name of the other thing its supposed to connect to.it sort of links the blades with the metal bars thats at 90 degrees to them.hope you can understand what i mean.ill put up a pic if not.im thinking this might be related to my problem?

im pretty sure i didnt break break it taking it out the box,im not that much of a clumsy dick.

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03-11-2010 09:44 PM  8 years agoPost 15
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The ball link that connects to the blade grip? Take a pic. If the linkages that hold your blades are busted, that would explain a lack of pitch - and thus why you're not able to leave the ground.

If it can't hover, it ain't worth flying.

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03-11-2010 10:37 PM  8 years agoPost 16
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03-11-2010 11:12 PM  8 years agoPost 17
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Well it's tough to tell exactly what's going on there with the blur, but it looks like indeed you are talking about the ball link that connects to the blade grip. If it's broke (looks like it's missing) then that's probably the problem...

Send some pics to whatever retailer you bought it from. If it's one of the good ones, they'll just send you a replacement part for free.

If it can't hover, it ain't worth flying.

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03-11-2010 11:19 PM  8 years agoPost 18
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its a bit of a relief thats its something thats straightforward and fixable by me.its from a hong kong based company,and their engrish can be .....well,engrish.will bring it up anyway.ill be back on here if it doesnt fix it

thanks again

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03-12-2010 12:08 PM  8 years agoPost 19
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ESky parts you can pick up at Heli Direct. They are out of Mass and great guys.

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Predator Gasser SE G-23, Fut 3010 servos, JR gyro/servo

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03-12-2010 03:21 PM  8 years agoPost 20
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You're probably better off following Chris' advice. It won't be an expensive part, and the guys in HK or wherever you got it probably aren't going to warranty the heli. Even if they do you'll likely be waiting a couple weeks for it to ship.

If it can't hover, it ain't worth flying.

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