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03-10-2010 09:38 PM  8 years agoPost 1
QuantumPSI

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I can't believe servos are going for $150+ a pop nowadays! I mean yeah, I want the performance, but christ that is getting ridiculous. I mean, it's not SO BAD if you're just outfitting one machine, but if you have 2-4 machines, we're talking upwards to $1800 JUST FOR THE SERVOS ! (and GOOD GOD for the people who have several more machines) I just think it's getting a little out of hand. I know it's an expensive hobby, but I remember when (and I'm not even that old) people used to gripe over $75 per servo.... What's worse is that, I have seen no indication that the prices are going to come down anytime soon.

Am I crazy or do others share my sentiments?

...now where was I, dh/dt = BS-dx/dt
I will fly you forever... till earth do us part

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03-10-2010 09:42 PM  8 years agoPost 2
psych-lick

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I know you want $150 servos; but do you really need $150 servos???

(great, now I'm sounding like my wife!)

-Jeff T.

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03-10-2010 09:48 PM  8 years agoPost 3
z11355

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who's forcing you to buy this month's must-have 7.4v titanium geared brushless ultra-speed servo?

buy the servos you're comfortable with and fly 'em till they break or wear out.

if you are on the endless upgrade merry-go-round, find a sponsor or marry rich.

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03-10-2010 09:50 PM  8 years agoPost 4
DougsRC

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I can't believe servos are going for $150+ a pop nowadays! I mean yeah, I want the performance, but christ that is getting ridiculous.
I think its just a case of the "latest and Greatest" No one says you have to purchase 150. servo's--- its up to you, if you think its going to make you a better pilot than go for it, but yes, it can get rediculous ! The real question is are you having Fun in the hobby or competing with what the other guy might be flying I still think analog servo's and flybars are fine but what do I know

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03-10-2010 09:53 PM  8 years agoPost 5
300wby

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The only good thing is hopefully in the next couple years the prices of the newer ones will come down, you would think with there being more brands and types comming out all the time. I just realized I have 2 50's and the actual price paid was 75.00 each, 750.00 for servos in 2 heli's. I also have a 90 with 4 9252's z11355 hit the nail on the head.

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03-10-2010 09:54 PM  8 years agoPost 6
LonR

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Try a set of Align DS610's,you won't be stressed anymore .If they put JR 8717 cases on them you wouldn't know there Aligns .

600LE,OS55,OS PowerBoost pipe,Align 610's,Spartan

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03-10-2010 09:56 PM  8 years agoPost 7
QuantumPSI

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do you really need $150 servos??
Oh definitely not, but I've flown a helicopter with them, and compared to my 9451s, yeahhhhhhhhhh I want them!

...now where was I, dh/dt = BS-dx/dt
I will fly you forever... till earth do us part

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03-10-2010 10:00 PM  8 years agoPost 8
LonR

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Get some Align DS610's,trust me on this one .

600LE,OS55,OS PowerBoost pipe,Align 610's,Spartan

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03-10-2010 10:06 PM  8 years agoPost 9
DougsRC

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The only thing I know for sure is really Great pilots can fly what most say is Crap much better than Crap pilots can fly the best money can buy

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03-10-2010 10:08 PM  8 years agoPost 10
jones007

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For those that have been in the hobby for a while, say 25 or 30 years, the price of today's equipment may actually seem pretty cheap. I think I paid $225 for my first Futaba 4-channel AM system back in the late 70's, and I think my Futaba 5JH, the first heli radio I bought, was close to $1000, and it was nothing compared to the DX7. Generic servos were $25 dollars back then, and with inflation that would be about $73 in today's dollars - for standard servos! I think the first coreless servos I bought were about $60 each, and would be over $130 in today's dollars. Just a little perspective.

--Kevin

Trex 700N, Trex 600ESP, Trex 500, Trex 450Pro

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03-10-2010 10:10 PM  8 years agoPost 11
jones007

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Get some Align DS610's,trust me on this one .
I used one on throttle for about a dozen flights on my 700N before it failed. Now I'm back to Futaba servos.

--Kevin

Trex 700N, Trex 600ESP, Trex 500, Trex 450Pro

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03-10-2010 10:11 PM  8 years agoPost 12
TankDirt

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Illinois

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Its getting very rediculous..NObody needs those servos, NO pro can even outfly yesturdays servos. Can they make it just alittle more "snappy"? Sure, But you deffinitly dont need them. My 9451's were plenty fast and powerful, they even did all the crack moves just fine.

Its for sure just a gotta have the latest and greatest thing. Im not saying ill never have those servos, But I tell you one thing, When I do eventually get them it'll be from the classifieds at $150 for the set of 3!

I think a good compromise is the Align 610's, more servo than anybody will ever need, and very well priced. I dont recommend it, but alot of people even run them strait on 2s without any issues.

Theres only so much "latest and greatest" I dont belive for a second that a servo with a brushless motor is going to last 5 times longer than the 9451's I had. How they can claim that on NEW, not yet proven itself, tech. (to heli servos) is beyond me. the gears will still break, the case will still break, the pot will still wear out just as fast as a brushed servo and ultimatly, its going to last just as long as a brushed servo.

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03-10-2010 10:14 PM  8 years agoPost 13
jones007

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For those looking for high-end affordable servos, I highly recommend the BLS451s. Street price is $109 each, and they seem to hold up fine on unregulated 2S LiPo. I have about 200 flights on them in my 600ESP, and about 20 flights in my 700N. For some reason Futaba released a few new heli-specific servos for $40 more, but they have almost identical specs.

--Kevin

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03-10-2010 11:09 PM  8 years agoPost 14
crofty

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This is our own damn fault. How many times have you been to the flying field with inferior kit and your buddies give you a hard time for not having x or y. Turn up at our field with a raptor and people give you crap. If we'd stop giving each other crap we'd all be much more chilled and happy with the stuff we're flying.

I have nerves of steel but thumbs of jelly!

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03-10-2010 11:11 PM  8 years agoPost 15
Jeff polisena

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.If they put JR 8717 cases on them you wouldn't know there Aligns .
Utill you crash from failure . I pay for JR servos for customer service and dependability .if don't fly to full potential of cheaper servos then sure your fine but I went thru two sets Aligns and still have a set of JRs that have been in a few different airframes .

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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03-10-2010 11:20 PM  8 years agoPost 16
RappyTappy

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I've had JRs fail on me and have yet to have a Align servo to fail. I think the Aligns are great servos and priced right.

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03-10-2010 11:38 PM  8 years agoPost 17
LonR

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Macomb,Mi

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Maybe 10 people ive seen had issues with align servos.Ive seen more issues with JR/futaba servos than align since ive been in the hobby,guy at our club has 3 brand new S9252's lockup in less that 2 months or so,hes now flying Align DS610's with NO issues..

Jeff polisena,
If you crash hard enough you'll strip any gear set,its happend to the 8717's you fly.Never once had a single issue with them in my old Trex 600 that I crashed a few times and don't have any issues with them on my Raptor 90 which is harder on servos than any heli out there,one moves pitch,one moves Aile and one moves Elev.

Sucks you guys had problems but don't think just because your useing Futaba or JR you won't .Hundreds and hundreds of people useing Align's with no problems,alot running them at 8V but a hand full wanna make them seem like crap lol.

600LE,OS55,OS PowerBoost pipe,Align 610's,Spartan

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03-10-2010 11:38 PM  8 years agoPost 18
OICU812

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Edson, Alberta, Canada

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I thnk the larger Align servos are fine however as a friendly reminder let truth be known they draw some serious amps is all and that should be calculated into equation of what regulator / bec you may use on your specific model oterwise their fine. The new Torq servos are interesting as well indeed.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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03-11-2010 01:27 AM  8 years agoPost 19
Aaron29

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Agree with the servos getting out of hand.

I always go back and watch the 2003 3D Masters DVD I have to put things in perspective.

In that video, I watch Szabo, Krause, Curtis, and company doing some incredible flights on machines with older servos like 9252's and older radios.

It really puts things into perspective.

It isn't the radio, or the CCPM, or the servos, or the heli.

It's the pilot.

Now, some guys will want the 150 dollar servos because they like to have that much bling in their heli. And it's their money, so who am I to begrudge their choice of what to do with it? I say go for it if it makes you happy.

Just don't sit there and tell me I need this stuff in order to fly well. I have video evidence that it isn't the heli, or the CCPM, or the radio, or the servos, or the latency, or any other thing that people say you "need." There may be some subjective benefits from these things, but very little shows up at the performance end of things.

Whatever. I've been tooting this horn a long time, and sometimes get flak for it. Seems most people would rather listen to marketing than some average joe who has been flying these things for years. I guess they think an old fart like me must have some sort of agenda. Manufacturers, however, don't, when selling you the latest product.

That was total sarcasm by the way. Think about it...Am I making money off of telling you what I believe the truth is? What possible gain could I have in telling you to go ahead and get a decent servo in the $75 price range if that is what your budget calls for? Why do I deserve less credibility than those pushing the latest marketing trend?

They say a fool and his money are easily parted.

Again, not to begrudge the guys that buy the high dollar servos knowing that it won't make the heli fly better overnight. Some people just like to have the most bada$$ servo in existence to admire it on their heli. They've got expendable cash and getting the latest and greatest is their reason for going to work in the morning. And that's fine. I just get ticked when someone says it's required or that it makes more than a trivial, incremental difference.

Save your money for crash parts and fuel. If you're looking at 150 dollar servos you'd better have enough spares and gas to fly all year.

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03-11-2010 01:38 AM  8 years agoPost 20
QuantumPSI

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But Aaron, it DOES fly better! Sheesh, didn't you learn along the way that flames automatically make ANYTHING faster? It's the same thing with our helis, the higher the level of bling and shiny parts, the better it flies. Sheesh, I can't believe you don't know this

No but seriously though, better is subjective, but these servos do change how the machine responds. It's not as big of a difference going from .22 servos to .10 but there is a noticeable difference.
Some people just like to have the most badass servo in existence to admire it on their heli.
LOL YUP! I want them, but I sincerely doubt I'll buy NEW ones for my fleet, however, I'll probably get brand new for my vbar logo 600 (sparing no expense on that machine).

...now where was I, dh/dt = BS-dx/dt
I will fly you forever... till earth do us part

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