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03-10-2010 01:06 PM  8 years agoPost 1
2slow

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Unless there was a brake malfunction that is total BS a prius is what 40 maybe 50 hp ? The brakes on that car will stop it under full power! I can hold my truck back and it has 300 hp. So whats up with this ? Maybe wanting to jump on the free ride cash wagon from toyota ?

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03-10-2010 01:11 PM  8 years agoPost 2
Kramer

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Hmmmm.

I think it's BUSH'S FAULT all these Toyota,s are going out of control!
Is Toyota too big to fail?
Could there be a bail out on the horizon?

http://www.facebook.com/groups/1029857 http://northern-indiana-modelers-association.synthasite.com/

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03-10-2010 01:21 PM  8 years agoPost 3
Mutt

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Maybe wanting to jump on the free ride cash wagon from toyota ?
Bingo you got it.
There is some women here in my area who has a toyota that is not even on the recall and is a mid 80's model and she crashed it saying her throttle got stuck and braks failed all trying to cash in is what it is.

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03-10-2010 01:24 PM  8 years agoPost 4
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What about that N on the selector lever, let me get this straight,P for Park,R for Race opps ,Reverse,N for Neutral,and D 3,2,1,for Drive and darn you can always kill the ignition,sounds like the cash wagon as stated !!!!!!

it's time to kick the skids and light the fire's

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03-10-2010 01:27 PM  8 years agoPost 5
SSN Pru

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after 20 minutes the cop told the guy to...

get this...

shut off the engine...

there sure are a lot of dummies out there.

Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!

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03-10-2010 01:28 PM  8 years agoPost 6
rcjon

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Maybe wanting to jump on the free ride cash wagon from toyota ?
Something screwy about this story. The 911 operator twice asked the driver if he put the car in neutral and the driver ignored the question.

Ask your doctor if your heart is healthy enough for Radio Control Helicoptering.

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03-10-2010 01:35 PM  8 years agoPost 7
McLovin

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They should take away this guys driverslicense for lack of common sense. (or fraud)

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03-10-2010 01:42 PM  8 years agoPost 8
Kramer

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What about that N on the selector lever, let me get this straight,P for Park,R for Race opps ,Reverse,N for Neutral,and D 3,2,1,for Drive and darn you can always kill the ignition,sounds like the cash wagon as stated !!!!!!
From what I have heard ,some have tried this but had no effect These cars are completely computer controlled,Throttles and shift mechanisms,brakes are electrically controlled. There may be some "safety" protocols in the software that does not allow power to be cut while the car is moving.

http://www.facebook.com/groups/1029857 http://northern-indiana-modelers-association.synthasite.com/

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03-10-2010 02:32 PM  8 years agoPost 9
McLovin

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There may be some "safety" protocols in the software that does not allow power to be cut while the car is moving.
I bet thats gonna change.

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03-10-2010 02:38 PM  8 years agoPost 10
Dennis (RIP)

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The whole thing seems kinda fishy. I want to wait until they investigate and hang that guys balls out to the fire.

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03-10-2010 03:15 PM  8 years agoPost 11
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Unless there was a brake malfunction that is total BS a prius is what 40 maybe 50 hp ? The brakes on that car will stop it under full power! I can hold my truck back and it has 300 hp. So whats up with this ? Maybe wanting to jump on the free ride cash wagon from toyota ?
I too thought there was something wrong with all these story till I thought it through.

I challege you to wire the throttle wide open, holding the brake of course then release brake and let the truck get moving at say 50 mph and use only the brakes to slow the truck. This means you are not only fighting the momentum of the vehicle but the full availble torque of the engine transfering to the wheels. I think you will find the vehicle will not stop. You will do a great job of heating up the rotors.

I had always though in these instances why don't they just turn off the key. Well as was mentioned these do not use a key. There is no mechanical interrupt in the circuit. Once the ignition seals the circuit, it is up to computer control allow the circuit to open again from external inputs. These cars do not have E-stop buttons as is required of machinery used in industry. So once you enable the computer control to run the car you are at its mercy. If some engineer did not think the system through completely, has one instruction set wrong or improperly used ill fitted devices, then you will reap the rewards of his negligence.

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03-10-2010 03:19 PM  8 years agoPost 12
Dennis (RIP)

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I thought that all you had to do was to hold the start button down for a few seconds and the motor will shut down. That might be harrowing when you are barreling down a freeway with a stuck throttle. But, death is rather harrowing as well.

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03-10-2010 03:33 PM  8 years agoPost 13
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Thats how it should work if the computer is acting nice. Also in the prius the vehicle would use different control algorithm according to what speed the vehicle is moving. The car does not use the internal combustion motor till it is at a speed over somewhere around 40 mph. Not sure of the exact speed. So if this is a programing issue, it is my speculation once the car was slowed down by the police, the car drop into electric motor only control algorithm, which work as it should allowing the stop/start button input parameter.

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03-10-2010 03:36 PM  8 years agoPost 14
Dennis (RIP)

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To many new tangled gadgets. Put that in the hands of millions of knuckle heads and you could have a huge serious problem.

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03-10-2010 03:48 PM  8 years agoPost 15
Kramer

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Also @ 80 + mph it would not take long to over heat the brake fluid causing it to boil hence air in the line and resulting in no brakes

http://www.facebook.com/groups/1029857 http://northern-indiana-modelers-association.synthasite.com/

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03-10-2010 04:02 PM  8 years agoPost 16
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The Prius will always shut down if you hold the power button for 3 seconds. The gear selector is all electronic, you have (d), (N), (R), and (B). <Park> is a button on the dash. Park doesn't work while the car is moving. (N) does work while the car is moving. (B) is sort of like a Jake brake on a truck. It shuts the fuel injectors off and activates the electric motor which acts like an alternator and charges the batteries. Its excellent for going down hills. Unfortunately it deactivates itself when the throttle is depressed.

I took my car to 65, held the throttle open, and pushed the power button for 3 seconds. The car shut down and I pulled to the side of the freeway. I repeated the test putting the car into neutral and the engine revved but it shifted into neutral as expected and decelerated. Personally I have no apprehension driving this car. Its safe and reliable, you just need to be familiar operating it, like anything else.

Note, all the electronics don't shut down after pressing the power button for 3 seconds. The gear selection remains lit on the dash. You do loose power steering but it is not a big deal. Braking seemed the same with or without the electronics engaged.

With all the excitement over this problem I can see where this 65yr old guy had a panic attack. CHP said he was so visibly shaken they transported him to a hospital.

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03-10-2010 04:26 PM  8 years agoPost 17
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Well if we need a computer to control our car's no wonder we have problems almost like the joke between Bill Gates and the auto industry exec's,computers crash, it happens,now cars are crashing because of computers wow whats next !!!!!!!

it's time to kick the skids and light the fire's

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03-10-2010 04:38 PM  8 years agoPost 18
hampilot

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computers crash, it happens,now cars are crashing because of computers wow whats next !!!!!!!
computer controlled flybarless heli's?

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03-10-2010 04:40 PM  8 years agoPost 19
Texas1

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Hampilot, I am not saying that the button will not work when the car is moving above 40 mph. I am saying that the malfuction cause the stop button not to be active in this phase of the programing for some reason reason or another.

It has been my opinion up to now why don't they just turn the car off. I don't remember from the story if he tried or not before the car was slowed. I am assuming he did.

Another wonderful program feature of this car is if you let the batteries go dead you cannot jump start it. You have to bring it to a deal to get it going again. You cannot just start the gasoline motor and charge it unless they have change the programing.

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03-10-2010 04:45 PM  8 years agoPost 20
hampilot

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Actually you can jump start it. It has a separate battery for operating the electronics in the car. The main pack is what you have to worry about going dead, then you are going to the dealer.

I think that panic set in and he couldnt find the "throttle hold" switch.

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data...Jump_start_.jpg

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