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03-09-2010 08:40 PM  8 years agoPost 1
SB56

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Gallipolis, OH - USA

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Hey guys,

New to the forum and the sport. I have absolutely no experience in RC Helicopters but I did build a plane from a kit about 20 years ago and got it 95% complete and ended up selling it before I got the electronics. Turned out really good I’ll have to say. Anyway, I really like the looks of the 450 size 3D copters with the CNC rotor heads but want to head in the Scale Helicopter direction (not the high end stuff). Not interested in doing stunts. I’m sure these are hard to learn on but I am on a tight budget and really can’t afford to work my way up thru a bunch of helicopters. I figured I’d take my time and learn slowly.

Just wondering what suggestions you might have, you know the usual questions you get tired of answering. What type, brand, kit, RTF or ARF. I’d like to keep my initial starting budget less than $300, like I said things are tight. Just a good basic helicopter that I can mod into a scale helicopter over the period of a couple years.

I plan on digging into this forum over the next few weeks to learn what I can about the sport, if there are any other websites that would help please let me know as well as any recommended online hobby stores. Thanks in advance, looking forward to making some new friends.

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03-09-2010 09:02 PM  8 years agoPost 2
doorman

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Welcome To A GREAT Hobby.....
I will start this one off for you.... the first item that you should invest in is a simulator... better then ANY heli out there for $300.00 and will save you that on one or two good run in's with the ground (I just picked up a Phoenix and really like it)

The second recommendation would be to find a local club, maybe more then one, and go see what they are flying, and watch them fly... it won't take you long to know which ones are new and which aren't.... ask questions and you might even run into a killer deal on some used equipment.. but befor you lay down that cash, ask some of the other heli fliers there thoughts on a good machine to learn on.....

This is a great hobby, with a lot of great new friends for you to meet...just take your time.... you will be better off then just jumping in with a $300.00 machine that you will most likely break in the first 3 minutes, if you make it that long....
And if you go with the sim, you will have some cash left over and you could pick up a coaxial to fly around your house and make sure you are "bitten"....

I just a bit you are going to get a LOT of suggestions on how to start, and you will need to choose what is best for you....

Good Luck, Stan

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03-09-2010 09:09 PM  8 years agoPost 3
Saint728

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If your budget is that tight, maybe this is not the hobby to get into? Just the airframe will cost at least $300.00. The electronics and batteries will cost 3 to 4 times that depending on which brands and how good quality you buy. If you plan on just buying an airframe and later buy the electronics then maybe you should just keep saving up money and get it all at one time? The reason I say this is because if you buy an airframe and build it and you don't have any money to buy the electronics for a few months or a year, you will probably loose interest and just end up selling it down the line. You can build an airframe up in a few hours or if you take your time maybe push it out to a week. After you do build it and get all the electronics in, you can crash it in a few seconds and not be able to get it fixed. Crashing is a big part of learning to fly helicopters and crashing cost a lot of money. Maybe buy a flight simulator like a Realflight G5 and practice flying with that first. Then after you have saved a lot of money buy your helicopter and electronics. You can get a Realflight G5 for $200.00.

Take Care,
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03-09-2010 10:04 PM  8 years agoPost 4
michael88997

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theres definitely no way to get into this hobby for 300 bucks... even if you get all hobbycity helicopter and electronics with charger and lipos... you still have to buy some kind of radio system... your going to end up spending your time chasing down problems in all your equipment and not have any fun then not be able to sell anything cause nobody wants to buy that stuff used... if you want to get into it save up and get a good used trex 450 or good clone with a dx6 or similar and descent electronics/charger/ and lipos... i worked for a year when i was 14 and bought my first rappy 30 and got descent stuff so it can be done...

btw dont mean to be a buzz kill just want to be realistic and save you frustration and money

for example heres a good 450 for a beginner

https://rc.runryder.com/t574308p1/

thats 280.. so you have 20 bucks to get a tx/rx probably at least another 200, maybe 100... charger and lipos another 200 min and thats for a basic 450

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03-09-2010 10:21 PM  8 years agoPost 5
rcmiket

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http://www.horizonhobby.com/Product...ProdID=EFLH1500

OK if money is tight and your just looking to "test the waters" in helicopters this might be a good start. While its not a 3D machine with all the bling it's a start. We all started in our own special way. As for me I started with a Blade CP Pro (what a pile of junk) but I learned the basics and how to repair them. Then moved up the food chain. If you have a good LHS go visit them same with a area club that is heli friendly. I had the opportunity to check out this new heli at my LHS and it was really pretty good right out of the box. I was impressed. We actually didn't think it was going to be much we were wrong. You don't need a ton of money to get into heli's just desire. Whatever you decide to do just ask questions and remember that you'll get several different answers to those questions. Helicopter owners are pretty passionate about their choices and don't have a problem being vocal about them. I know I am.
I hope this helps.
Mike

"When Inverted down is up and up is expensive"

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03-09-2010 10:40 PM  8 years agoPost 6
rcmiket

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https://rc.runryder.com/t573401p1/

From this site on the Blade SR.
Mike

"When Inverted down is up and up is expensive"

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03-10-2010 12:10 AM  8 years agoPost 7
helibeast

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http://cgi.ebay.com/Great-Planes-Re...=item439ddf68f6
$52 shipped no bids.
http://cgi.ebay.com/kyosho-nexus-30...=item2a0544de85
Around $200 shipped Now your in the hobby for under $300

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03-10-2010 12:25 AM  8 years agoPost 8
classic

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I agree with Saint on this, too easy to buy a peice of crap, get frustrated and then quit the hobby. Better to save up, buy a decent heli and then fly. The sim should be your first purchuse.

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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03-10-2010 01:02 PM  8 years agoPost 9
SB56

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OK Guys, I'm begining to see a theme here. Go big or go home. Maybe I just need to watch from the sidelines for a while.

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03-10-2010 01:17 PM  8 years agoPost 10
rcmiket

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Check your PM.
Mike

"When Inverted down is up and up is expensive"

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03-10-2010 10:54 PM  8 years agoPost 11
lubedepot

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raptor 30
my advice is to get a raptor 30, you can find them for like 350 to 400 rtf,on here ,you just got to keep your eye open for one, it will come,plus it is cheap to fix and alot easier to fly than a 450, plus you can take up more weight,you will not regret getting it,odds are once you get the 450,you are going to want bigger,but you will already have it,450 sixe heli are not to start out on in my opinion the raptor 30 is perfect,very stable

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03-11-2010 02:17 AM  8 years agoPost 12
Heli0228

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Money
There are no one here meaning to insult you, but with your statment "go big or go home." this hobby and like all others there is a certain amount of money you need to spend so you can buy the basic and essential items needed to fly. If a person does not get the correct radio or a good airframe then no matter what you do it will be almost impossible to learn to pilot a RC heli. Save some money talk to some experienced pilots and let them guide you so you will get the proper tools needed to ENJOY and learn this hobby. We all started at some point. A raptor 30 would be a grat starter and a DX7 is a great radio, this set up will keep you flying for years. Never forget we are here to help, just ask what ever you want.

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03-11-2010 12:18 PM  8 years agoPost 13
rcmiket

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"Money

There are no one here meaning to insult you, but with your statment "go big or go home." this hobby and like all others there is a certain amount of money you need to spend so you can buy the basic and essential items needed to fly. If a person does not get the correct radio or a good airframe then no matter what you do it will be almost impossible to learn to pilot a RC heli. Save some money talk to some experienced pilots and let them guide you so you will get the proper tools needed to ENJOY and learn this hobby. We all started at some point. A raptor 30 would be a grat starter and a DX7 is a great radio, this set up will keep you flying for years. Never forget we are here to help, just ask what ever you want.'

I learned on a POS CP Pro. You can get into this for under a few hundred bucks if that's all you have to spend and a DESIRE to do it. Same with planks I didn't start with a TOC aircraft I started with a trainer. My first car was a POS also but I learned to drive. I think more people would get into helicopters if WE would stop all this BS about "Money". Sure its nice to have the best of everything but I couldn't afford it till my middle 40's ( and still can't but manage). Prices and quality on some intro RTF heli's have really improved over the last few years. While I agree that talking to experienced heli people is a great asset its not the only way especially if all the new guy hears is "you can't play you don;t have enough money" Please do not be discouraged look around do your homework and ask questions just remember there will always be two answers.
Mike

"When Inverted down is up and up is expensive"

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03-11-2010 12:59 PM  8 years agoPost 14
SB56

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Gallipolis, OH - USA

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Thanks guys
I understand what you're saying. I guess some hobbies are just more expensive than others. I wonder just how much most guys here spent when they first got into this. That might make an interesting list, what was your first copter and how much your spent to get into the hobby. Anyway I think I'll lurk around here and try to learn what I can, enjoy the photos then maybe this summer I hope to take the plunge. I may ask some stupid questions along the way, just hope you won't get to frustrated with me.

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03-11-2010 01:44 PM  8 years agoPost 15
txbiker

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TX

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With $300 and no heli experience you might consider a good sim and a used mSR. There are 3 mSR's listed in my area on craigslist under $100 RTF with just a couple of flights before they realised it was too much heli for their kids etc.. If you just have to take a big bite for under $300 there's the Blade SR. I love mine and it can be used with the transmitter it comes with but I use my DX6i. The heli is CP and 3D capable if thats what you want to learn down the road. A friend of mine bought a honey bee FP last week rtf for 180 upgraded and with a 2.4 computer transmitter and it flies great parts are cheap but we don't have a local supply so if it breaks he's down waiting on mail order. You might want to start with coaxial you'll learn the basics, right left up down and throttle control but this is for the no experience beginner. Either way it can be done on a budget keep in mind initial cost, parts avalibility and price, and cost to operate. In the past year I've spent $130 for a mSR rtf used. Was given Phoenix sim from a friend and local heli pro. $150 for a used DX6i with a reciever off of rc groups including shipping could have gotten the transmitter only for $120 but I still have a plank that I love to wring out. Last weekend I got a used never flown SR for $175 which fly's great after some more set up. So over the past year I've got $455 in 2 helis and a good transmitter figure maybe $25 for mSR parts in that year, and I bought crash parts for my SR totalling $55. The grand total spread out over a year is $535 roughly $46 and change a month.

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03-11-2010 03:31 PM  8 years agoPost 16
Heli0228

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First Time
When I got into the hobby I found a guy with 2 heli's a raptor 30 and a roptor 50 with a Xp8103 radio. I spent $1,000 for the set up and then found an experienced pilot to teach me to fly. I was flying alone in about 5 months, just learning 1 day/week. After learning to fly I have spent lots of cash on radio's, heli's, parts. I hope this gives you and idea of what one person started with.
I still have both of these heli's and the raptor 50 is one of my most favorite birds to fly. The point is start off with the best YOU can afford and the better you start with the longer it will last. Yes some start with less costly heli's and do fine, it is what a person wants to spend, this is not a hobby if you can't afford it go home, but it does require a certain amount of money to get started safely as all hobbies do.

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03-11-2010 03:58 PM  8 years agoPost 17
Fnity

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^^ ^^ Great advise from everyone....
I would recommend getting your feet wet with a simulator before you purchase anything! Phoenix Rc, and Great Planes RealFlight, would be the best investment you could make IMHO

Frank Leyva
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03-11-2010 03:59 PM  8 years agoPost 18
Fnity

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*Phoenix Rc, OR Great Planes RealFlight...

Frank Leyva
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03-11-2010 04:04 PM  8 years agoPost 19
chris6414

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Walkera 4, learned to hover and basic FF. Then onto the Blade CP Pro. More hovering and FF and precision landing. For a 300 size, you need very little wind to enjoy. 2-300 for a ready to fly 300 size. If you can fly ine of these you can fly anything. When I got my 450(Belt CP), that was when I really started to learn about the helicopters and what it take to set them up and get them flying good. Once you fly a 30 size nitro or Electric, you will be in awe. They just fly so smooth and are so easy to handle. I say the best way to start is with a 300 or a 450 size and work your way up. With 450, you can pick up a ESky Belt CP and money left over for spare parts/trainer gear and a spare battery or two.

http://www.nitroplanes.com/e-sky-be...er---white.html

Use a 2200 MAH Battery for good balance though. My friend and I flew two Belts in Iraq in the summer with no issues. Their servos are good all the way up to 6 volts with is what I ran on mine. Are they a TRex? No, but you won't know the difference. research, research, research on the basics and use trainer gear till you comfortable hovering and putting it where you want. I just picked up a HK 450 cheap and Hobby city has great deals on batteries.

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03-11-2010 05:32 PM  8 years agoPost 20
txbiker

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[*Phoenix Rc, OR Great Planes RealFlight...]

Sims seem to be a matter of prefrence. I have realflight 3.5 but like phoenix better. I have the cord to use my DX6i on phoenix. Not sure if they offer one for realflight I never bothered to look after I got phoenix. The interlink for realflight is uncomfortable for me it's loolsy based on Futaba which I've never been comfortable with anyway.

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