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03-13-2010 06:30 AM  8 years agoPost 41
mjy1288

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03-15-2010 04:21 PM  8 years agoPost 42
eSmith

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Interesting numbers OCB, I never thought that many americans were dissatisfied with the care in the United States. Makes you think something should be done to address it.

I'm going to assume it's the cost and not the care (you do draft a lot of your doctors and nurses from Canada after all)

Maybe somebody in a position to do something about it should try to help americans pays less..... Wait, isn't that what Obama is doing?

Oh right, the republicans have convinced you all that it is better to pay more because then you can skip to the front of the line.

Now, we know the goal of every american is to get rich (capitilism) and most don't realize they will never reach this goal (delusional) so they want to protect the perks of the rich so they are all in place when the cash comes in for them (never gonna happen) and they can "Have It All".

So, dummy's that don't know they have a far better chance of staying poor than getting rich are voting to keep the costs up where only the rich can afford it on the off chance they might be in a position to buy thier way to the front of the line someday....

How can people be so blind to the obvious.

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03-15-2010 04:28 PM  8 years agoPost 43
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Interesting numbers OCB, I never thought that many americans were dissatisfied with the care in the United States. Makes you think something should be done to address it.
I don't think its so much dissatisfaction with service as it is affordability. If your insurance refuses to cover you will you spend $50k here for the procedure or travel to Costa Rica and get the same quality care for $15k?
It appears lots of Americans are making that choice.

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03-15-2010 06:25 PM  8 years agoPost 44
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Since the both of you are so big on putting up "numbers to represent your statements" as fact, please link or show me where you are getting the information that "lots of" Americans are traveling abroad for health care as opposed to those remaining here.

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03-15-2010 06:48 PM  8 years agoPost 45
eSmith

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Dox, OCB already did, thats what we keep telling you you are ignoring. Look up, in the post where OCB quotes the numbers he has a link to the source.

It's all there, you just don't seem to get as much out of the posts as the amount of information in them indicates you should.

For your benifit, here is the link from his previous post:


US News and World Report

Have a look.

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03-15-2010 07:01 PM  8 years agoPost 46
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Is there so much harm in asking one of you to relink it again? I should hope not. If it were such a big issue, I would expect to see you all jumping on other people in other forums for asking the same question, over and over.

I read the article, some things you failed to acknowledge.
"It's really been a young market," with most customers getting things like dental work, cosmetic surgery, and other one-time elective procedures, he says. "It hasn't really been a senior market."
Overseas medical care is still largely uncovered by insurance and tends to be heavily concentrated on cosmetic surgery and dental care.
"What will drive this trend is the price differential [of U.S. and foreign care] for the people who can afford it," says Keckley.
In an update of that study released late last year, Deloitte concluded that the recession had caused the number of people traveling outside the United States for medical care to drop from 750,000 in 2007 to 540,000 in 2008, before rebounding to 648,000 last year. The strengthening economy, Deloitte forecast, will support 35 percent annual growth rates, which would mean an estimated 878,000 medical tourists from the United States this year, nearly 1.3 million in 2011, and more than 1.6 million in 2012.
If the US population is indeed 307 million (2009 estimate), 1.6 million (projected in 2012) or more accurately 648,000 (in 2009 numbers), you are roughly looking at .2% electing to get "elective" care overseas. Yes, that's .2%. It should also be noted they specifically focused on "elective" procedures and not "standard" or "critical" care. The article also pointed out that overseas procedures were largely done by the young and those with money (as opposed to the poor and/or elderly).

Those issues are probably the most important portion of the article, that I didn't see either you or OCB talk about.... If you want to talk about facts, those are the facts and it's from the source you chose.

I almost forgot.... .2% is hardly "lots of Americans". It's more like an extremely small number.

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03-15-2010 07:10 PM  8 years agoPost 47
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Providing Thug services for the private coporations controlled by your elected officials is hardly "Serving your country"

Nobody has SERVED YOUR COUNTRY since WWII. But every idiot who got the army to pay for thier education during peacetime still thinks they served thier country and want to be called a vetran....
eSmith, I'm certain you just made a BUNCH of friends with that statement. You just insulted every veteran of our Armed Forces. Everyone who serves is I guess just looking for a buck, and if they are trying to secure peace for our nation it's all working for corporations for you, isn't it. You just insulted every family that ever lost a child to what they believed in with your biased B.S.

You just topped Tintin as the most inflammatory and blatantly biased anti-American I've ever seen.

There is racial prejudice and class prejudice in this world. I bet you probably at least pretend to despise prejudice.

Yet, you show it in your very character against an entire group of people, be they capitalists, veterans, Americans, whatever.

Nice.

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03-15-2010 07:18 PM  8 years agoPost 48
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Apples? Your a big Matt Damon fan huh, you gat all your one liners from movies?
Really? This is what you think "How you like 'dem apples came from?"

Matt Damon?

Like he has ownership of that statement?

My friend, if you knew anything about America you'd know that that saying has been around for a long time before Matt Damon was even born.

What, you get all your knowledge about Americans from movies and then bop in here and start insulting us?

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03-15-2010 07:22 PM  8 years agoPost 49
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WRONG AGAIN.

You know, you really do need to do your own homework......

It is your side claiming Everyone is coming to the states for health care because "Your System is the best in the world"

We countered it is NOT, which was backed up with proof from the World Health Org.

Then your side starts preaching that even Canadian polititions are doing it, to which we pointed out that is only for elective proceedures that although they can be obtained in Canada, were not priority over real emergency care and it doesn't matter how much cash you flash around, fair is fair and we run a fair system in Canada.

Then this stupid sarcasim came spewing out:
Canada's healthcare system better than ours. Wow. I guess that would explain why so many more Americans cross the border to use your better healthcare system than the other way around.
So OCB pointed out 1) if your going to be sarcastic, make sure you do your homework and 2) if you would have done your homework, you would have found the evidence supports the exact opposite of what your claim is, making you look stupid.

Then you come in telling us you haven't even been following the thread closly enough to even know what facts you are arguing against and expecting US to provide you with an education, AGAIN, on a subject that is clearly out of your depth.

Split hairs all you want, the facts still remain. Even if you choose to be blind to them.

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03-15-2010 07:27 PM  8 years agoPost 50
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Those issues are probably the most important portion of the article, that I didn't see either you or OCB talk about.... If you want to talk about facts, those are the facts and it's from the source you chose.
What started it was a statement about Canadians coming to the US for health care and I asked what the statistics for that were and have asked that question several times and in several different threads.

No one has answered that question yet.

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03-15-2010 07:37 PM  8 years agoPost 51
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I never contended that people outside the US were coming to the US for health care, please quote where you think I said that. I especially didn't say Canadians were coming to the US, but if I'm wrong, please find where I said that and post/quote it.

My points above were specifically to refute OCB's;
It appears lots of Americans are making that choice.
The "lots of Americans" making that choice to have elective surgery outside the US are those that are young and of means that can choose to have ELECTIVE surgery done.

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03-15-2010 07:39 PM  8 years agoPost 52
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Well, I'm really not all that concerned about it Aaron. If these people lost family members to this political warmongering and didn't even bother to go after the people who cause thier family members to die by sending them off to a useless war then you can bet they won't put in the effort to come after me for talking about it openly.

I have friends that are soldiers in Canada. I know some had the best intentions when they joined, some wanted the free education. I'm sure it is the same in the USA.

Keep in Mind I didn't ask them to. And in Canada they know this, and we all do the best we can.

The problem starts in these threads when some idiot starts telling everyone that we owe them for our freedom (as if they fought in the second world war) and then you, in an effort to garner support for your stupid uneducated argument, are trying to associate all soldiers to your cause and you are speaking for them.

If I was a soldier, I'd be far more upset with your blanket statments in my name than to know someone is talking about the moral issue of what I am being asked to do because they care about the useless violence in the world.

You see, you don't support your troops, you truly believe these people should follow orders blindly to the death and then you can't draw a line between what is morally justified and what is just pure greed.

You don't support the troops, you support the troops being there in order to ensure your comfort. That is hardly the same as supporting the troops. The fact that you were one of them and you don't see this is just a testimate to how effectivly they brainwashed you.

You should just go prey to your god that he may smite me.....

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03-15-2010 07:45 PM  8 years agoPost 53
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You see, you don't support your troops
Riiiight.

Have you any idea who I am or what I do?

Make a few more statements that make a total arse of yourself. Go ahead.

This capability you have to make conclusions without any evidence is FANTASTIC! Are you a prophet?

In your mind you know me better than myself. How wonderful. Your intuition is exceeded only by your, well everything else.

Maybe all MY posts are based on Matt Damon movies, eh?

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03-15-2010 07:50 PM  8 years agoPost 54
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You should just go prey to your god that he may smite me.....
Most people don't eat their god. They PRAY to their god.

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03-15-2010 08:52 PM  8 years agoPost 55
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Americans treat other Americans as dirt unless they see a profit in them.
There is no such thing as altruism in America.

Just ask eSmith, he is the expert on America and Americans. He read something about it on the internet.

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03-15-2010 09:01 PM  8 years agoPost 56
eSmith

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Wow, got an ant in your pants huh Aaron? Must be just killing you there, three replys full of insults in a row! (although not a single word towards the topic)

I'm gonna help you out here and post something to help break up your tantrum!!!!

How about, "your god is a puny twerp!"

AND, if your puny twerp of a god hurt himself, he'd perfer Canada to get healthcare in. Yup, I said it, GOD PERFERS CANADIAN MEDICINE!

So There!

That ought to get you going.....

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03-15-2010 09:02 PM  8 years agoPost 57
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I never contended that people outside the US were coming to the US for health care, please quote where you think I said that. I especially didn't say Canadians were coming to the US, but if I'm wrong, please find where I said that and post/quote it.
Never said you did, I was explaining how this got here.
The "lots of Americans" making that choice to have elective surgery outside the US are those that are young and of means that can choose to have ELECTIVE surgery done.
I don't really care why they go, the fact that they do go is the point I'm trying to make and Canadians may well travel to other countries and probably for similar reasons.

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03-15-2010 09:03 PM  8 years agoPost 58
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That ought to get you going.....
LOL

Nope sorry.

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03-15-2010 09:05 PM  8 years agoPost 59
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although not a single word towards the topic
Tell me, is the motivation of our soldiers, the generosity of typical Americans, the existence of any diety, and the other slimy prejudiced statements that spew from your keyboard relevant to Health Care?

Hmmm?

Admit it, you want this to inflame as much as possible. You love it. Trolling gets you going.

You try to derail this conversation multiple times by posting irrelevant inflammatory Anti-American remarks and then accuse me of not a single word toward the topic?

Are you real?

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