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03-09-2010 04:59 PM  8 years agoPost 1
OzarkCopterBum

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Huffington Post

If Democrats didn't have all the incentive they needed to pass health care reform already, then conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh may have provided the final push they needed by vowing to flee the country if the reform bill is passed.

Responding to a caller who asked him where he would go for health care if Congress enacts reform, Limbaugh replied,

I don't know. I'll just tell you this, if this passes and it's five years from now and all that stuff gets implemented -- I am leaving the country. I'll go to Costa Rica.

He left New York City, but would he really leave the U.S.?

Not sure why he'd choose Costa Rica as they have a public option available to everyone and private insurance is government regulated. My guess is that its because prostitution is legal.


Costa Rica

Costa Rica’s public health insurance system, commonly known as the Caja, is available country-wide to all citizens and legal residents.

As of 2009, private insurance is available through INS, the government-owned insurance monopoly.

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03-10-2010 06:35 AM  8 years agoPost 2
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He said he'd get healthcare from there, not move there. Sorry bud.

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03-10-2010 07:08 PM  8 years agoPost 3
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So he would travel to a country that has a "socialist" health care system instead of being treated under his obviously platinum policy here in his home country because he believes its socialist?

The man is wise beyond belief.


Costa Rica

Costa Rica’s public health insurance system, commonly known as the Caja, is available country-wide to all citizens and legal residents.

As of 2009, private insurance is available through INS, the government-owned insurance monopoly.

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03-10-2010 07:15 PM  8 years agoPost 4
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It does make one wonder where you WOULD want to go if health care quality decreases here to the likes of GB or Canada?

I bet the medical industry would do what other industry does when U.S. government policy makes it less profitable...

Move overseas.

If ObamaCare passes, I bet we see wholesale outsourcing of healthcare.

This is what our government will never understand. It tries to control industry and corporations by punishing them. But it's like punishing an 18 year old that says "fine, I'll just move out."

And we end up losing. I'm not saying industry is always correct, but it will always find the path of least resistance, and if we want to benefit from it economically, we'll need to at least make it livable here.

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03-10-2010 07:40 PM  8 years agoPost 5
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Your polititions are all liers. Don't believe them when they tell you we have it bad in Canada. We do not. Our health care is better than yours. It is a complete myth but americans think they have the best health care in the world. You do not. Not even close. You just are gullible enough to believe these liars when they speak.

And of course you eat up anything that feeds your egos.

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03-10-2010 07:40 PM  8 years agoPost 6
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WHO listing

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America

38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
40 Brunei

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This is what our government will never understand. It tries to control industry and corporations by punishing them.
But its OK for health insurers to punish you for say, getting sick and requiring them to provide the service that you've been paying them to provide?? The important thing is they get to make a profit.

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03-10-2010 07:56 PM  8 years agoPost 7
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See, in Canada we do have it better. Thanks OCB.

I also pay no insurance and all services are covered if I require them.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that just because one politition went to the states for ELECTIVE surgery (meaning it wasn't required for his health, he just wanted the proceedure for personal reasons) because educated doctors prioritized him correctly behind those who do require surgery for health reasons is some kind of example for you to toss around in an attempt to justify your system of greed that would put all people who require medicine for health reasons out on the street if pairs hilton and her 100 best friends all showed up for new breasts and botox with a gold card to pay for it.

Americans treat other Americans as dirt unless they see a profit in them.

-eSmith.

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03-10-2010 08:02 PM  8 years agoPost 8
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*sigh*

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125608054324397621.html
Few people who cite the ranking are aware that some public-health officials were skeptical of the report from the outset. The ranking was faulted because it judges health-care systems for problems -- cultural, behavioral, economic -- that aren't controlled by health care.

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03-10-2010 08:17 PM  8 years agoPost 9
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So what are you saying Havoc, that if we ignore all your problems, the fact that your behaviour is based on greed and ignore the fact that without money, you don't get ANY health care, that your system will move up the list a little bit?

Personally, I think those facts your begrudge are VERY important in judging the rankings. Without those factored in, what is left that you will be basing the ranking on?

-eSmith.

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03-10-2010 08:22 PM  8 years agoPost 10
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From Havoc's Link

WooHoo! With adjusted criteria we move from 37th up to 15th!! AWESOME!! And we STILL get to pay more for it than anywhere on the planet and millions still get to do without.

And yet many people apparently do. The 37th place ranking is often cited in today's overhaul debate, even though, in some ways, the U.S. actually ranked a lot higher. Specifically, it placed 15th overall, based on its performance in the five criteria. But for the most widely publicized form of its rankings, the WHO took the additional step of adjusting for national health expenditures per capita, to calculate each country's health-care bang for its bucks. Because the U.S. ranked first in spending, that adjustment pushed its ranking down to 37th. Dominica, Costa Rica and Morocco ranked 42nd, 45th and 94th before adjusting for spending levels, compared to the U.S.'s No. 15 ranking. After adjustment, all three countries ranked higher than the U.S.

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03-10-2010 08:31 PM  8 years agoPost 11
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More from Havoc's link


The flawed WHO report shouldn't obscure that the U.S. is lagging its peers in some major barometers of public health. For instance, the U.S. slipped from 18th to 24th in male life expectancy from 2000 to 2009, according to the United Nations, and from 28th to 35th in female life expectancy. Its rankings in preventing male and female under-5 mortality also fell, and placed in the 30s.

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03-10-2010 09:00 PM  8 years agoPost 12
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I don't know about you all, but my health care has never cost any large sum of money. I've had multiple surgeries and been to the hospital ER plenty of times, so it's not like I don't use the system.

Maybe it's because I have a job that has good insurance that doesn't cost much? Maybe, it's because I choose a PPO over an HMO and pay the extra $12 a paycheck?

eSmith, no disrespect intended, but you claim to know a lot about Americans as a whole, but you live in Canada. That would be like me claiming to know everything about Canadian culture, or at least enough, to make some sweeping generalizations that may be perceived or interpreted as insulting....

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03-10-2010 09:05 PM  8 years agoPost 13
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So what are you saying Havoc, that if we ignore all your problems, the fact that your behaviour is based on greed and ignore the fact that without money, you don't get ANY health care, that your system will move up the list a little bit?

Personally, I think those facts your begrudge are VERY important in judging the rankings. Without those factored in, what is left that you will be basing the ranking on?
What good is the ranking if you don't even understand how and why it is ranked or even when it was ranked? OCB is now willing to put us at 15 and yet isn't happy about jumping up 22 spots. So of course we need to toss the whole system and jump to the Obamacare experiment. I sure hope it works better than Romneycare. But it looks like Romneycare at the national level. I wonder why Obama never mentions it? Because it is a failure or because he doesn't want to give any credit to a republican for his ideas (even the bad ideas).

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124...emEditorialPage

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03-10-2010 09:55 PM  8 years agoPost 14
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don't know about you all, but my health care has never cost any large sum of money. I've had multiple surgeries and been to the hospital ER plenty of times, so it's not like I don't use the system.
So just because it didn't happen to you, yet, means it doesn't happen to others and couldn't happen to you in the future??
OCB is now willing to put us at 15 and yet isn't happy about jumping up 22 spots.
I didn't do it, your link did. And yes it is good that we aren't 37th but 15th in the selected criteria is nothing to brag about either.

And we probably are #1 overall, provided you can afford it. Is that really a bragging point?

EDIT
But it looks like Romneycare at the national level.
That was pointed out and Romney himself said it wasn't.

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03-10-2010 10:12 PM  8 years agoPost 15
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Dox makes a good point but he has to realise that his company is looking after it for him as benifits (it attracts workers and you get less sick days paid out if you keep them healthy)

I get it even if I'm not working, or, if I work for myself, I'm not paying through the nose to cover myself. People NEED healthcare. That's not optional here OR in the USA so why pretend it is and offer it only to those who are able to pay for it.

Sick people need care. It doesn't matter what income they take home, what matters is that other people that can help care enough to do so. Your capitalisim has created an environment where you think it is acceptable to not care about others unless they offer you profit.

This is a scumbag way of doing things. Sure, people need money to survive, but some people have LOADS of cash they didn't really earn and your system works to reward favoritisim and discrimination at the expence of people who do work hard but are under valued.

You begrudge the public servants a livable minumim wage but throw away millions to any number of entertainers who are not worth the celebrity you regale them with.

You take average skillless people and because of unearned celebrity, let them trash your laws and then reward them handsomely for what really ammounts to nothing but simple amusments.

And Dox, whats your point? Do you have to actually be from a specific country to know anything about it? you seem to miss the fact that our education system in Canada teaches us all about other nations whereas the average Americans knowledge beyond the borders of the USA is GLARINGLY OBVIOUS.

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03-10-2010 11:30 PM  8 years agoPost 16
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My g/f kid went to hospital because he had a fever early in winter, (School Nurse recommended) she just got laid off and insurance didn't continue. We just got a bill for $380. Only thing the doc did was check his temp.

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03-12-2010 06:51 AM  8 years agoPost 17
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I have a parent who has landed status in Canada, she pays A LOT in taxes to provide health care for the bums of you're country. Guess where she is right now getting a non malignant tumor removed that was putting pressure on her spinal cord causing extreme pain. It d**n sure is not Canada. So save all the touting of you're system for the ignorant I am not buying it.
We have some who fall through the cracks just like you, however if they would get off there a**es and check a government program already exists here that would more than likely cover them. Tell me this which "insurer" in the US denied the most claims last year ? What is the average "obscene" profir margin of US insurer's ? 2.2% You're god does not mention that number on the campaign trail does he.
Here it is for you in a nut shell we say no (the majority of the people) and Obama say's we are just to stupid to understand how great his plan is.
We see the need for some changes, but the complete overhaul he has proposed is ludicrous.

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03-12-2010 12:37 PM  8 years agoPost 18
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Let me expand on my previous statement OCB. Of all the people I have come in contact with over the years either personally or professionally, none have had issues with their insurance or health care. Sure, there are a few that get a big bill on a rare instance if they are between coverage, but for the most part, the people I encounter have decent jobs that have health insurance at a relatively low cost. I should also add, that a large portion of my friends and acquaintances are either active duty military or retired military or government employees or government contractors. Maybe the difference between the masses that don't have coverage and the ones that do, is that the ones that do, work for it? Maybe? I'm sure there are a few that get dropped due to pre-existing conditions or can't get coverage, but really what is that percentage? It's probably not that high. Is 10% living off "the system" too high for you? Is 20% too high? What is the break even point for those of you that champion government mandated health coverage at the cost of those that contribute? At what point do you say, 'ok, if x% of people are uninsured, we must mandate health care coverage for all and everyone has to pay for it'?

Instead of making an "all encompassing" plan, how about making a plan that's just for the people that want coverage from the government? Don't know if you've seen it, but the politicians get excellent health care, as do government employees. Perhaps their coverage is part of the problem, it does cost the taxpayers a lot of money.

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03-12-2010 05:41 PM  8 years agoPost 19
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That's right DoxWrangler, you do cost the taxpayer a lot of loot. YOU have Government provided health care (You are in the Military No?) all these people that never have problem with health care you openly admit are on the government tit with you also. Maybe you would think differently if you had to pay for it yourself.

Instead, your government will pay it for you if you shut off your brain (in your case that's becoming obvious) and blindly follow instructions you are expected to never question.

Who are you to question what amounts to work? Your country calls swinging a golf club a multi million dollar occupation for crying out loud. 20 million for a few months of acting like a primadonna in front of a camera without dirtying your hands....

And besides, you already admit to being employed as a NON THINKER, so what makes you think you understand any of this stuff, do you really think they tell you the truth in the army?

-eSmith.

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03-12-2010 05:48 PM  8 years agoPost 20
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That's right DoxWrangler, you do cost the taxpayer a lot of loot. YOU have Government provided health care (You are in the Military No?) all these people that never have problem with health care you openly admit are on the government tit with you also. Maybe you would think differently if you had to pay for it yourself.

Instead, your government will pay it for you if you shut off your brain (in your case that's becoming obvious) and blindly follow instructions you are expected to never question.

Who are you to question what amounts to work? Your country calls swinging a golf club a multi million dollar occupation for crying out loud. 20 million for a few months of acting like a primadonna in front of a camera without dirtying your hands....

And besides, you already admit to being employed as a NON THINKER, so what makes you think you understand any of this stuff, do you really think they tell you the truth in the army?

-eSmith.
Again, you don't know a F'ing thing about me. Word of advice? Stop making assumptions, they only serve to make you look more ignorant.

As a point of fact, I have my own insurance that I work and pay for and I don't use my VA benefits for health. You like apples? How about 'dem apples?

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