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03-09-2010 08:00 AM  8 years agoPost 1
helibeast

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03-09-2010 03:37 PM  8 years agoPost 2
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Al Gore is guilty of heresy! He must be burned at the stake or God will surely bring plague upon us!!

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03-09-2010 03:42 PM  8 years agoPost 3
Dennis (RIP)

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Al Gore is guilty of heresy! He must be burned at the stake or God will surely bring plague upon us!!
Well I'll be danged.

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03-09-2010 05:43 PM  8 years agoPost 4
drdot

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fwiw...

The data used is the same that has been discovered to be fraudulent....AlGore, Meet Michael Mann....Embarassing at best, stupid at worst...WHEN will people quit saying something IS simply because they want it to be so???

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03-09-2010 05:44 PM  8 years agoPost 5
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The data used is the same that has been discovered to be fraudulent...
Really?? ALL the data?

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03-09-2010 05:50 PM  8 years agoPost 6
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fwiw...

"ALL" is not the word I used, is it?....Keep it up, as it only reinforces my point...AGW is a scam perpetrated on the uneducated to line the pockets of the perpetrators...If nothing else...Follow the money....Who is financially benefiting from "Carbon Offsets"?....Come on now....Those in the back who answered "Trees"...Automatic F....

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03-09-2010 06:05 PM  8 years agoPost 7
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AGW is a scam perpetrated on the uneducated to line the pockets of the perpetrators.
Kind of like financial derivatives??

I don't know about all that. I'm just one of the uneducated, remember??

Still waiting for the data that says that polluting the atmosphere is somehow a benefit to mankind.

FWIW and a personal anecdote, I can walk outside my door right now and see with my own eyes the effects of climate change. I can go spot a dozen species of animals that weren't here when I was a kid and they all came up from the south, where its warmer. I can also name several species that aren't here that used to be, they are found further north though, where its cooler. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out somethings going on and anything we can do to try and prevent it only benefits us.

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03-09-2010 06:19 PM  8 years agoPost 8
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Still waiting for the data that says that polluting the atmosphere is somehow a benefit to mankind.
Dont confuse "climate change" with pollution, two entirely different things.

OCB, I recommend going to wall street journal and look at the emails that were hacked and released. They are emails that were sent back and forth between members of the global warming committee. In particular, look at the rules of engagment and their specific guidlines on where the tempertures and reading are to be taken.

Global warming is a SCAM. However, there is nothing wrong with taking care of the planet we are on. But lets face it "carbon offsets" do NOTHING for the planet, they line pockets.

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03-09-2010 06:39 PM  8 years agoPost 9
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I can walk outside my door right now and see with my own eyes the effects of climate change. I can go spot a dozen species of animals that weren't here when I was a kid and they all came up from the south, where its warmer. I can also name several species that aren't here that used to be, they are found further north though, where its cooler
I sincerely hope this is an anecdote as you claim. If not, you are trying to tell me (and subsequently everyone else reading this) that you are a biological expert on your locale and know everything about every living organism in your area. Highly unlikely at least. Secondly, I would argue that among other things, construction and development displaces more species than "climate change" or "pollution".

For what it's worth, migratory behaviors of various species are most likely not your specialty. If it were your specialty, your intelligence and educational background is being wasted in Arkansas.

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03-09-2010 06:54 PM  8 years agoPost 10
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Dont confuse "climate change" with pollution, two entirely different things.
Like weather and climate are two completely different things but doesn't stop the right from pointing at an abnormally large pile of snow and denying global warming? Well, why is that pile of snow abnormally large to begin with is my question.
OCB, I recommend going to wall street journal and look at the emails that were hacked and released.
Been there done that. Its too scattered and without context to actually make a decision one way or the other. Are you sure that these hackers even released all of the emails and didn't alter any of it before hand? Not like you have a verifiable chain of evidence to work with there. Besides that, there are too many studies by agencies that weren't even remotely involved in that to use it as proof.
The only folks that take that as gospel are the ones that didn't believe it BEFORE someone stole their private correspondence. Its like one bad apple scenario if even that.

And like I said before, I don't NEED a study, I can walk outside and see it in action.

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03-09-2010 06:57 PM  8 years agoPost 11
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I sincerely hope this is an anecdote as you claim. If not, you are trying to tell me (and subsequently everyone else reading this) that you are a biological expert on your locale and know everything about every living organism in your area. Highly unlikely at least. Secondly, I would argue that among other things, construction and development displaces more species than "climate change" or "pollution".

For what it's worth, migratory behaviors of various species are most likely not your specialty. If it were your specialty, your intelligence and educational background is being wasted in Arkansas.
And you have credentials as a climatologist I assume??

EDIT

And again FWIW, I fish regularly with a biologist from Arkansas Game and Fish commission and he personally agrees with that theory through his personal observations, though he's not actually done a scientific study.

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03-09-2010 07:07 PM  8 years agoPost 12
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Been there done that. Its too scattered and without context to actually make a decision one way or the other.
Agreed it is a mess. But there is one email there that stuck with me. Its the one on WHERE to take temp readings. it stated to ONLY take readings in areas of heavy population and urban growth. In particular, airports. Under no circumstances were they to take readings in rural areas or low populated as these areas showed no difference in temps.
There was a map that showed where there temp readings were taken, and its no wonder its warmer in those areas. They have HUGE heat soaking concrete areas and lots of pavement.

Dont get me wrong, I am all for taking care of the earth. And having clean air to breath, but some of the shiot they are spewing is ridiculous.

And they have absolutly NO PROOF that there is anything we have done or can do to prevent this. For all they know this could just be a natural phenomenon of the earth.

Now, like the dinosaurs and everything that came before us, if mother earth doesnt want us here not much we can do about it. Maybe this is the earths way of saying get the hell off me!

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03-09-2010 07:27 PM  8 years agoPost 13
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And they have absolutly NO PROOF that there is anything we have done or can do to prevent this. For all they know this could just be a natural phenmenon of the earth.
We've proven time and again that we can damage lots of things and we've proven we can also repair them over time.
The Great Lakes come to mind, mostly considered dead and tributaries actually catching on fire due to flammable toxic material being dumped there. I'm sure the folks that were profiting by using them as their sewage treatment plant felt much the same way as modern climate change deniers. The folks that relied on it for their drinking water probably felt a little different about it.

I personally am going to err on the side of caution.

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03-09-2010 07:36 PM  8 years agoPost 14
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We've proven time and again that we can damage lots of things and we've proven we can also repair them over time.
THat would be pollution not climate change. Nothing wrong with keeping the environment clean.
The Great Lakes come to mind, mostly considered dead and tributaries actually catching on fire due to flammable toxic material being dumped there. I'm sure the folks that were profiting by using them as their sewage treatment plant felt much the same way as modern climate change deniers. The folks that relied on it for their drinking water probably felt a little different about it.
Again, that is something WE caused. I am in total agreement, Pollution should be stopped.

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03-09-2010 07:55 PM  8 years agoPost 15
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THat would be pollution not climate change. Nothing wrong with keeping the environment clean.
Exactly, and pollution changed that very large part of the environment. Had it been allowed to continue it would have eventually polluted and changed the ENTIRE environment as its all connected.
Again, that is something WE caused. I am in total agreement, Pollution should be stopped.
And certain science shows that we are causing massive amounts of pollutant gasses to be released into our enclosed environment as massive as it is. The available atmosphere is finite and there is a tipping point.
I personally don't want to find out what it is the hard way.

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03-09-2010 08:02 PM  8 years agoPost 16
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And certain science shows that we are causing massive amounts of pollutant gasses to be released into our enclosed environment as massive as it is. The available atmosphere is finite and there is a tipping point.
I personally don't want to find out what it is the hard way.
Me neither, but charging taxpayers for carbon offsets is going to do NOTHING about cleaning up our mess. And them being global alarmists about climate change isnt helping either. And the more we send our manafacturing to Countries like China that have proven time and time again to NOT care too much about the environment, the worse polution is going to get. We for the most part have cleaned our countries polution up, we did it by sending it over-seas. Now if we could come up with "clean" factories here and take some of our manafacturing back, it could only be a win win situation.

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03-09-2010 08:18 PM  8 years agoPost 17
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Carbon Dioxide is not a pollutant even if it has just been recently declared as such due to political expediency so as to gain easy authority over any industry that produces it.

Carbon Dioxide is and has always been a natural part of atmosphere and the percentage has gone up and down over the eons due to natural phenomenon.
Plants love the stuff and soak it up, so maybe bigger and more trees will grow to take advantage of the situation and suck it back to lower level.

As climate temps rise and drop over time, animals/plants adjust their habitat range further North or South as conditions dictate. So one sees them absent from one area, but they are probably expanding in another area.

When the next Mass Kill Us All asteroid/comet is headed this way, it will be human technology that might give us some little chance of diverting it. We are a natural part of this world just like anything else and will certainly leave our footprints, only time will tell as to the final direction that they took and where they led.

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03-09-2010 08:22 PM  8 years agoPost 18
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Now if we could come up with "clean" factories here and take some of our manafacturing back, it could only be a win win situation.
You got that right. Green energy is the way to go and will be expensive until we commit to it and in a big way.
Plants love the stuff and soak it up, so maybe bigger and more trees will grow to take advantage of the situation and suck it back to lower level.
Please..... Put any living thing in your garage and leave the engine in your car running 24/7 and see how long it lasts. Put a whole bunch in there and stay in there with them you are so convinced....

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03-09-2010 08:23 PM  8 years agoPost 19
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Who is to say this isn't part of a climate cycle we haven't been around long enough to detect?

I read the emails, they may be scattered but they offer a clear picture of the methods they found acceptable when trying to make the data fit thier pre-determined facts. Simply put, they were quite willing to lie outright about it. they should have to pay back every cent of funding the ever recieved.

I would also suppose that if any of the emails were altered, we would know about it. Those accused of writing the emails have not uttered a word about them being falseified. ergo, you can accept them at face value. The authors would be all over it if they thought ANYTHING was edited or displayed out of context. They are not.

Now, if you want to look at global issues that matter.... We are overpopulating the planet at a rate that is completely unsustainable.... for us.... The planet will survive long after we are gone, it's just ego to think we have control of anything.

Humanity is a virus, we are eating away at the planet at an alarming rate, we are a danger to every species on the planet including our own. From space, our effect has been to scar the planet with large grey concrete cities, these look like scabs on the surface of our planet. Much like aids does to a persons body, we are a disease to the planet

And we don't care. No one little bit. Nobody has the guts to state the real issue let alone fix it. We need to reverse the population explosion. We have to stop breeding at a rate that endangers everything around us. we have to lose the stupid ego that tells us the planet and everything on it is here to serve our needs and comforts. Humanity is truly the scourge of the planet.

Now, some of you are already thinking about the STUPID reply "But who decides who has children and who doesn't" and a bunch of other CRAP arguments like that. I would say start with the people asking that dumb question. They are the problem, they would continue this mess until it destroys us all rather than make a personal decision to not contribute to it by having litters of kids that consume resources far beyond our ability to sustain them. Make a rule, stop breeding, and then enforce it.

If you are not prepaired to address the real issues, then take your AGW BS into a closed room and talk yourself to death over it, and the sooner the better. The less attention this gets the better off we all are. NOBODY is supporting AGW for the benifit of the planet, they are doing it for the cash it will get them, or the job, that results in cash. Greedy crooks all of them.

We can't feed the people on this planet, we can't grow food fast enough. Until you are ready to plow up your flying fields (and golf courses and even cemetaries to produce crops then don't pretend you give a crap about the health of the planet.

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03-09-2010 08:27 PM  8 years agoPost 20
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Now, some of you are already thinking about the STUPID reply "But who decides who has children and who doesn't" and a bunch of other CRAP arguments like that. I would say start with the people asking that dumb question. They are the problem, they would continue this mess until it destroys us all rather than make a personal decision to not contribute to it by having litters of kids that consume resources far beyond our ability to sustain them. Make a rule, stop breeding, and then enforce it.

Maybe we should get more gays married. After all, they don't reproduce.

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