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03-08-2010 01:44 PM  8 years agoPost 1
bart2546

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Hello all, I've got a question I'm sure someone here can answer.

I know these starters are kind of turds but my situation is as follows: I run the Torqmaster 180 with two 7-cell NiMH 4200 packs. Yesterday at the field I started my 600 2 or 3 times and started my Raptor 90 probably 4 or 5 times. Had no issue, after the last time starting the raptor I set it down, it sat probably 30 minutes in shade in my car. I go to start the 600 again and I've got NOTHING.

It doesn't buzz, hum, jerk, NOTHING. Just to be sure, I popped both battery packs and charged them up to full, still nothing. When I got home I popped the starter apart and I see nothing wrong to the naked eye. No melted wires, no black "burn" marks, everything is in place, the switch touches the other side easily....I'm just lost.

Has any one else had this problem or can you suggest a quick fix to it? If not, then I will just start using my 19.2 volt drill but I thought I'd try to keep the regular power tools out of it if I could. Thanks in advance everyone!

Regards, Brandon Bartolomucci; Team Synergy; Team Scorpion; & Team Bavarian Demon; AMA# L939231

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03-08-2010 02:46 PM  8 years agoPost 2
Cowjock

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Did you check the connector between the batteries and starter? One time I wound up with a completely broken off wire inside the insulation and could not be seen by the naked eye. Just a thought,

Damn that ground is hard! When's the right time to get out of this money sucking hobby?

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03-08-2010 02:47 PM  8 years agoPost 3
Bob Wales (RIP)

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when you say frozen was it just that it wouldn't do anything or could you not turn it by hand?

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03-08-2010 02:49 PM  8 years agoPost 4
Cowjock

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sounded to me like the shaft wasn't frozen.

Damn that ground is hard! When's the right time to get out of this money sucking hobby?

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03-08-2010 02:51 PM  8 years agoPost 5
Bob Wales (RIP)

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these starters are not easy to kill as mine started acting up with the same setup and I hooked a 3s pack to it to see if it would work and it did so I ran it with a 3s for a year then changed it to a puffed 6s and man it never needs charging its a power house now.

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03-08-2010 02:53 PM  8 years agoPost 6
Bob Wales (RIP)

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Cowjock
Did you check the connector between the batteries and starter? One time I wound up with a completely broken off wire inside the insulation and could not be seen by the naked eye. Just a thought
+1 I believe its a connection problem as well.

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03-08-2010 03:10 PM  8 years agoPost 7
nickt919

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Check all the connection points in line from the battery(s) to the starter switch. Once you know they're all good....The contact points on the switch of these type starters are weak. The points get burned and glazed easily. This can interrupt continuity. I'd jump the switch and see if that does anything. From there I'd look at the brushes and polish up the commutator. It sounds like one of those two spots. If it were the windings there's a good chance you'd have smelled something burning or let some smoke out.

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03-08-2010 03:13 PM  8 years agoPost 8
bart2546

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Thanks for the replies. I did check those as that was my original assumption as well. When I say frozen I mean no electricity to it. I can freely turn it by hand. Sorry about the confusion.

I am going to look closer at the power switch itself this evening to see if I am missing something.

Regards, Brandon Bartolomucci; Team Synergy; Team Scorpion; & Team Bavarian Demon; AMA# L939231

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03-08-2010 06:46 PM  8 years agoPost 9
dhc8guru

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I had a hanger 9 starter do the same thing. It probably had a dozen starts on it. I tore down the starter, found no bad connectors, brushes, switches etc. I chalked it up to bad windings. I pitched it in the garbage as it wasn't worth sending in for warranty. Shortly after that, Hanger 9 came out with the HD version and I believe they also discontinued the standard version, it must have been a problem. I have been using the HD version for two years now with no problems.

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03-08-2010 09:07 PM  8 years agoPost 10
stg099

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pull out the 2 long bolts that hold the thing together, and inspect the brushes, commutator, and wiring, You're likely to find that a brush hung up, or one of the power wires broke inside. I've had mine apart a few times, once the wire broke inside the insulation within the starter, and another, the brush got hot enough to melt itself to the plastic guide. I ended up jsut replacing the original wiring with a better, more flexible wire and haven't had a problem since. As for teh brushes getting hot and melting to the track, I jsut am cautious of not staying on the starter for more than a few short busts.

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03-08-2010 09:38 PM  8 years agoPost 11
holzback

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mine has a good connection, but it takes a lot of pressure to get it to start working

you aint crashin you aint learnin

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03-08-2010 10:11 PM  8 years agoPost 12
Jeff polisena

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If you load or stop starter while starting Heli brushes will get hot and loose contact . You can take apart and sand brushes and try to get to work but sometimes it won't help

Finger switch could be suspect but brushes are more likely

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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03-09-2010 01:02 AM  8 years agoPost 13
bart2546

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Well I had it all apart and I think the main core is just shot. I hooked up the battery and went along with a voltmeter at each joint/connection. All the way along it had power at a constant rate. I also went up to where the brushes touch the base of the motor and tested there while flexing the power switch and it would switch to on/off no problems with strong voltage....

It's just shot. I'm gonna go ahead and use a drill for now and then shoot for an align starter. Thanks for all the help guys.

Regards, Brandon Bartolomucci; Team Synergy; Team Scorpion; & Team Bavarian Demon; AMA# L939231

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03-09-2010 08:33 AM  8 years agoPost 14
Jeff polisena

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Get a Flight leader with lipo you will not regret it

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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03-09-2010 10:58 AM  8 years agoPost 15
Damper

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Align starter and will probably end up with a dynatron starter .

Full Throttle Spooning Leads To Forking

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03-09-2010 12:11 PM  8 years agoPost 16
Jeff polisena

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Dynatron is a great starter but it's heavy and bulky . I've used Flight leader starter with a 1800 14+ volt lipo and lasts for a few weekends of flying 90's and 50's

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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03-09-2010 04:02 PM  8 years agoPost 17
Bouchah

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I have this one on Ebay, Brand new, Its only at $10.00 right now with 25 hours to go.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...=STRK:MESELX:IT

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