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03-08-2010 09:50 PM  8 years agoPost 21
Mputu

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Wow,

Fly hard, Land safe

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03-08-2010 10:38 PM  8 years agoPost 22
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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Mputu Wow,
sorry just my opinion i mean i do have the sims and i do have the heli's how can i be wrong to my self i dunno .

Insha Allah made in america

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03-09-2010 03:43 AM  8 years agoPost 23
Spitfire1

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03-09-2010 03:48 AM  8 years agoPost 24
Spitfire1

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Oh yeah, I read somewhere above about the tail blowing out in Phoenix.

If there is a way to get the tail to blow out I would love to know how you managed to do it, so I can do it myself.

Ive gone all through the settings and I cant find any way to get the tail to let go, I wish there was some way I could.

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03-09-2010 05:43 AM  8 years agoPost 25
Carman9876

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In heli edit menu on pheniox

Put gyro rate mode
tail rotor diameter =1/2
gyro sensitivity=25%
tail fin area= 1sq foot
stabilizer =0

The tail will come around.

And one the subject of making a Sim harder that really flying. Move the simulator speed to max.

Embrace failure because without it success would be normal.

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03-09-2010 11:00 AM  8 years agoPost 26
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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Carman9876 In heli edit menu on pheniox

Put gyro rate mode
tail rotor diameter =1/2
gyro sensitivity=25%
tail fin area= 1sq foot
stabilizer =0

The tail will come around.

And one the subject of making a Sim harder that really flying. Move the simulator speed to max.
sweet i love my sim to be as hard as possible for reason.

Insha Allah made in america

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03-09-2010 06:28 PM  8 years agoPost 27
Zaneman007

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The sim is not reality.

I have flown both, and prefer real flight.

But, that doesn't mean one is better than the other. The issue is that neather one flies like the real thing. The sim is good for learning stick movements, orentations, and learning to hit throttle hold before you hit the ground.

There are quite a few 3D expert SIM heli pilots out there who can barely hover.

The point of a sim is to get a decent one, either phonix or realflight will work, but you have to focus on learning. If you are doing nothing but hovering, work on hovering on the sim. And also, work on the next step. Then when you are ready, you will know the stick movements, and hopefully how to pull out of it if it goes bad.

And now for a bad example: We use to have a sim expert at our field, according to him he could do almost any trick on the sim. But at the field he could:
Hover (tail in only)
Hover inverted (nose in only)
Flips
A piro flip from a high hover (only one)

AT THE FIELD,he could barely do forward flight, he would always ended up brining it in tail first. He could not make a complete circuit figure eight or otherwise. He lost it on a flip once and almost drove the heli (450) into the guy standing next to him. But,.... he was a pro on the sim???

My point: if you use the sim as a learning tool. It will work for you as long as it is a decent sim. If not, it doesn't matter what you use.

Old Guys Rule!

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03-09-2010 06:58 PM  8 years agoPost 28
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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Zaneman007 The sim is not reality.
agreed .

but when i get the space since i have gotten over the fear
and we just bought a new 1080p camera .

soon we will see if i can 3d like the sim and land it
or 3d and crash.

guess ill have to be the proof or the pudding .

video soon i promise.

Insha Allah made in america

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03-11-2010 07:12 AM  8 years agoPost 29
Spitfire1

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Put gyro rate mode
tail rotor diameter =1/2
gyro sensitivity=25%
tail fin area= 1sq foot
stabilizer =0
I did everything but put the gyro in rate mode (I cant fly backwards in rate mode its virtualy impossible)

I still could not get the tail to so much as move an inch no matter how hard and clumsily I banged the collective.

If you have to put the gyro in rate mode its just not worth it as you simply cant fly 3d in rate mode IMO.

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03-11-2010 11:27 PM  8 years agoPost 30
oteskate

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The point of a sim is to get a decent one, either phonix or realflight will work, but you have to focus on learning. If you are doing nothing but hovering, work on hovering on the sim. And also, work on the next step. Then when you are ready, you will know the stick movements, and hopefully how to pull out of it if it goes bad.
I have both RF 4.5 and Phoenix. I do agree that I enjoy the planes more in RF than in Phx. The Phx planes just fly funny to me. Totally nonrealistic. As far as helis... I enjoy Phx a bit more, but I agree with Zaneman007... it helps to get a decent sim, but the point of a sim is to learn and get acquainted with the stick positions so that when you do go fly, that you're not TOTALLY lost as to where your fingers need to be. Atleast you'll be in the ballpark with it. And it helps your brain to connect with the visual cues allowing you to make the necessary decisions in flight.

I think that way too many pilots are attempting to use the sim as a replacement for the real thing, which is why this arguement of "which sim is better" has continued. RF and Phx both have great products and both will help you achieve the same end goal, if you use either as a learning tool rather than a real life replication software, which in that case, no simulator reaches those expectations.

Jeff
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03-25-2010 08:35 PM  8 years agoPost 31
Rogman88

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West Monroe, LA

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When you guys are comparing how the sim feels are y'all comparing the same exact heli? Or theorizing how heli's fly based on a Logo 600 in real flight and Trex 600 on Pheonix? I have RF5 and there are so many helis to fly and so many mods to each one that they all fly differently. Ie. A protos 500 I flew was so dang responsive and had so much power I can't imagine one flying like that in real life. It was unrealistic. On the other hand I have a Trex 600 ESP heli that I downloaded on knifeedge.com that flies very close to my real 600 ESP. I've gone to flying it exclusively now during my training sessions. My overall point is that I'm curious if we are comparing apples to oranges and inadvertantly generalizing based off of that.

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12-11-2010 04:25 PM  7 years agoPost 32
hackattack

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Thunder bay, Ontario, Canada

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Actually i just got my T-Rex 700E 3G Super Combo today and i was reading the instructions and it said somewhere that if you never flied before that you should practice on a sim before flying this heli, weird huh? so from that its saying that a sim you can learn to fly fully on

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12-16-2010 06:03 PM  7 years agoPost 33
RCHSF

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NC

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Both sims are way easyer than the real thing. I liked RF 4.5 best, but Phoenix 2.5 was good, but the throttle sucked, it was either wide open or none. No sound effects in between, it was weird is all.

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12-18-2010 04:13 PM  7 years agoPost 34
blade3d

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New Jersey USA

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They are four kind of pilots.

1= F,,,,it if I crash
2= Deep pockets
3= Competive I have to be the best
4= None of the above = Cautious flyer = not much progress
Which one are you ? So the sim is relative to those four.
That should wrap it up,,oh PHX is more to Heli standars IMHO

Blade3d

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12-25-2010 05:26 PM  7 years agoPost 35
3DManA1

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Kansas City, Mo

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Feels real to me.
I've been flying for years. I have realflight it sure feels real to me. I also am an align rep. I fly the T-Rex 700. I've test flown many peoples helis and am always suprized how poorly setup they are. Seems the better the setup the more the helis fly like the sim. Also the equipment makes a difference. Good servos Heli,gyro,tail servo , and engine are all extremely important. Then you have to be able to take all this great equipment and expertly set it up. If your Heli dosent fly like the sim my advice would be to get with a local expert and work on setup. There may not be any experts in your area you may have to travel. Don't just go to a fly in and not ask questions. Go to seek information. Look to see what machines are flying great get their advice. I think it will make a real difference.

Thunderbirds Rock and Roar

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12-25-2010 06:20 PM  7 years agoPost 36
helismash

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Gloversville, NY - Fulton

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I guess I should pick up PHX for heli's then. My Real flight sim is out dated (3.5) and I want to put a bunch of sim time in this winter. (Long winters in upstate NY.) Is this a correct assumption?

Hey, Who put the ground there!
T-Rex 500/T-Rex 600N FBL/T-Rex 600E PRO/T-Rex 700N/T-Rex 700FBL

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12-25-2010 06:27 PM  7 years agoPost 37
Rob Faust

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real to me too.
I use Real Flight 5.5. I fly the Raptor 90SE exclusively. It's available on expansion pack-2. The simulator raptor flies virtually identical to my Raptor 90-3D.

I believe the sim has helped me progress far faster than I would have without it. I also practice a new manuever and the fundamentals that it's based on hundreds maybe even thousands of times before I try it for real at the club. I make sure I can execute the manuever correctly, safely and I always make sure I have a bail-out plan in case my fingers didn't cooperate for some reason. That by the way happens to all of us.

There is nothing wrong with working on a new manuever on the sim and then trying it for real at the club. My hope is that you will practice it on the sim and all the fundamentals that it consists of first. You can't just stir the sticks and do a safe piro-flip. You need to be very good at piroetting hovers both inverted and right side up first. A piroflip is nothing more than the transition from a right side up piro-hover to an inverted piro-hover. If you can't competantly piro hover, than you have no business trying piro-flips. And when I say piro-hover, I mean a controlled one and not one that drifts all ver the sky.

My point is practice on the sim no matter which one you own. Then CAUTIOUSLY start working what you've learned into you flight routine.

rob.

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12-25-2010 06:31 PM  7 years agoPost 38
GyroFreak

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4= None of the above = Cautious flyer = not much progress
That's me right on !!!

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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12-25-2010 11:40 PM  7 years agoPost 39
charliedoane

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I have both Phoenix and Realflight 5.5. I use both but find myself using Phoenix more.

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