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02-26-2010 06:33 AM  10 years ago
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Planning Stages for a new logo 600
Last week/// from aero-model.com got Hacker a50-12l http://aero-model.com/Hacker-Brushl...ic-Turbine.aspx

not to bad 2oo buck. Now what pinion?

Today hobbyhut to pick up hvjive 80http://www.hobbyhut.com/Kontronik_Jive_80_High_Voltage_Brushless_ESC_80_A_p/4250039546147.htm

4oo less afew for some sale they ar having,.

Now I need servos. Atlantahobby.com hast the 8717 for 110 a piece. good deal. Are there any better?

I like the feeling that a heli is going to break me .... only to work some ot magic and its all good.

Now im waiting for the logo to come back into stock.. I think I want the orange canopy.. flashy but not too flashy.

Did I mention i picked up 3 10s TP 3860 cells to play with.

This is going to be a great season.
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02-26-2010 08:58 AM  10 years ago
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Each to their own for sure...

Hacker not 100% on what pinion but others who have it will chime in, did you allready buy it? If not consider a Scorpion 4035-560 or the Xera 4030 560kv motor.

Next 8717s, yes thats ok deal however also consider the Futaba BLS 451s, excellent servo with great centering and they also are a LOW amp draw servo, 8717s are amp hungry and in running those you will need to run your BEC on Jive at 5.6 volts, which is the preset the Jive BEC output comes at but be aware of it is all.

Next for tr servo the Futaba BLS 251 is rock solid as a tr servo with Vstabi.

Jive 80HV, wise choice, make sure also to heatsink it for making the most of it in all climates and in all situations of flying your 600.

Battery choice, good choice, on the smaller side but depending on your flight style they'll give a good time, I run the TP45C 4500mah and they are a treat.

Again on that motor, several who have been running the Hackers find they time different with the Jive controller, not 100% agreeable, they work but know that the Scorpion, Xera and Kontronik Pyro motors time and work smoother with the Jive.

Be well, it's the best large 3D electric there is period.
...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...
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02-26-2010 01:19 PM  10 years ago
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Next 8717s, yes thats ok deal however also consider the Futaba BLS 451s, excellent servo with great centering and they also are a LOW amp draw servo, 8717s are amp hungry and in running those you will need to run your BEC on Jive at 5.6 volts, which is the preset the Jive BEC output comes at but be aware of it is all.
Yes, I would look at the bls 451s also. I am about to switch my 8717s to the 451s because I am getting tired of the slop around center with the 8717s.
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02-26-2010 01:45 PM  10 years ago
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According to Futaba the 4xx series are car servos, they recommend the 2xx series for heli application. Nevertheless alot of pilots are using the 451s without problems... in the end a servo is a servo
Again on that motor, several who have been running the Hackers find they time different with the Jive controller
The Jives now got a special mode, the KSA Mode (mode 10) to be better compatible with the Hacker Turbines

edit
heres a list I found for futaba servo applications:
1 = planes
2 = helis
3 to 6 = cars
7 = landing gears
8 = sailing ships
0 = general use

not sure about the correctness of this list though...
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02-26-2010 07:07 PM  10 years ago
OICU812

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Yes there is hacker mode, still it's not as smooth in operation as hackers have different gap spacing and timing it's abit odd is all....Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...
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02-26-2010 07:16 PM  10 years ago
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if you're planning on flybarless,the brushless servos need to be used.
the amp draw of the brushless will not fry anything
it's better to ask for forgiveness than for permission
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02-26-2010 07:23 PM  10 years ago
Ronald Thomas

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if you're planning on flybarless,the brushless servos need to be used.
That is not quite accurate. The JR8717s are what I use. You don't need brushless servos at all..........Ron
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02-26-2010 07:26 PM  10 years ago
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well,just a quote from Mr Botos and one of the guys in our group.
I personally would use what I had first.
but the theory does sound good considering the power problems some has had with the flybarless.
it's better to ask for forgiveness than for permission
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02-26-2010 07:28 PM  10 years ago
OICU812

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Correct you can use ANY servo u like as Ron states. The amperage comment I made to clarify is strictly in regards to jive bec not any limitation or concern of vbar. The frying stories are that of Align 3G not that of vbar....Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...
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02-26-2010 07:30 PM  10 years ago
OICU812

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Trekrider Ive ran multiple hv setups through vbars there are zero issues with vbar in thus regards sir....Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...
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02-26-2010 07:33 PM  10 years ago
Ronald Thomas

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but the theory does sound good considering the power problems some has had with the flybarless.
Only with the 3G have there been issues. Unfortunately all FBL systems get lumped in that category sometimes Not an issue with VBAR, Gyrobot (ones I have used)

*****edit******* Shawn types faster than I do
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02-26-2010 07:42 PM  10 years ago
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nice to hear,I was planning on the Logo600 vbar set up this summer,I have 8717's and would like to use those.it's better to ask for forgiveness than for permission
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02-26-2010 07:58 PM  10 years ago
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I have two Vbar'd Logos on 8717s. So long as you use a robust power system they do just fine. Also Mikado factory pilot Kyle Dahl has 4 birds on 8717s and flys more than anyone I know. He's got thousands upon thousands of flights on them.
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02-26-2010 08:33 PM  10 years ago
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logo 600
I just built another min vbarred logo 600...lots of pics of that one in my gallery..

https://rc.runryder.com/gallery/24404/

The logos are great flying machines...I have a few of them and run different servos in all of them...

the best servos for me are the Brushless ones...Ilike the BLS 451's a lot ...and the new Torq Brushless servos are so nice that those will be going on a couple of my newest machines...I justinstalled those in a new logo 600 last night...
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02-26-2010 09:25 PM  10 years ago
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I am also in the planning stages of a v-bar logo 600. But have decided to wait until the 600 se comes out.

Anyone have any (inside) info on when this might be?

As per our conversation OICU812, i too will be using Futaba BLS 451s as ive always prefered Futaba servos over JR.
Roy
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02-26-2010 09:35 PM  10 years ago
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The 600 SE should be availible by April 2010Team Synergy, Rail blades, Team Scorpion, V-Team
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02-26-2010 09:44 PM  10 years ago
Jag72

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600SE?
What is supposed to be different on the 600SE?
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02-26-2010 09:45 PM  10 years ago
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Longer boom, belt canopy scheme at least I am guessing.Team MikadoUSA 480XXTreme, 550SX, 600SX, 700XXTreme, 800XXTreme!!
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02-26-2010 09:49 PM  10 years ago
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The 600se just has longer boom, belt, boom supports, tr control rod and canopy that's all. For those wanting to run 690 mm mains....Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...
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02-26-2010 09:51 PM  10 years ago
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uhhhh....
okay....if you REALLY want a 600Se then buy a logo 600 and spend the 10$ for a longer belt...20$ for a longer tail rod...and 20$ for a raptor 90 boom

or you can go with the Vario boom(910mm boom and 828xl belt) like I did(under MrMels recommendation)...then you can run up to like 750mm mains

no sense waiting for something you can have right now
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