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02-25-2010 03:24 PM  10 years ago
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!2Old2Fly

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Decisions, decisions, decisions . . .
I found a little stash in the budget.
Just enough to either buy a slick new phone (Google Nexus One), or that little CB100 I've been lusting after.

This is a tough one.

I really have no use for the smartphone, and it will in fact cost me more on the phone bill every month. But it's cool, and I'm sure I'd find uses for it.

The CB100 . . . Okay, it's a toy (but then, so is the phone).
But once I got bored with the 45* flybar, I could mount my 4#3B head on it, and it becomes a 4#3B. There's just enough room in the office to fly a cb100 around the room for orientation practice, and fun. And I've really missed my 4#3 since retiring it. It would be nice to have a small office flier again.

I think I see the CB100 getting more use than the phone. lol
But I'm about to change my phone carrier & order phones anyway, so it's tempting to go with one of the super-phones this time around.

Decisions, decisions, decisions...
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02-25-2010 08:03 PM  10 years ago
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sounds like an easy decision to me. Heli
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02-26-2010 02:45 AM  10 years ago
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OR cell phone!!!!!Tom..... No "D" flying....
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02-26-2010 04:43 AM  10 years ago
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Get the phone if you like techy gadgets, you will love it. I'm partial to blackberries, but the nexus one is a pretty slick phone. The only gripe I have with it is the trackball. Having owned a couple blackberries with trackballs I can say they are really nice at first, but with time they start to get finicky. My new blackberry(bold 9700) has an optical mouse, 1000* better then the older ones. With the nexus one being touchscreen I don't think it would be a deal breaker though.
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02-27-2010 07:09 AM  10 years ago
Gregor99

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2old, don't you have enough helis? How about a change of pace? Small enough that you could fly it in your front yard

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02-27-2010 02:34 PM  10 years ago
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http://www.horizonhobby.com/Product...?ProdID=PKZ3680
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02-27-2010 06:45 PM  10 years ago
!2Old2Fly

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Gregor, Tryan

Yep, I considered something like one of those. Fun, quiet, and I could sit on the front porch, and buzz around the yard with it.

But I've done airplanes, to the max. Now I'm trying to get a better grip on helis. A small office flier would give me more air time, and more opportunity to get better. If it's sitting on my desk, I can always find a couple of minutes to buzz around the office with it.

Even a little CB100 can still teach you things, and the bright side is my 4#3B head will go on it, and it becomes a micro FP for sharpening the skills even more. I like the versatility there.

I'm seeing the superphone slide over the horizon for a little while.
I like the Nexus One, but Google has some support issues to work out, and the Android OS is still pretty new, and needs a bit of tweaking yet. I think I'll hold off on the superphone for now until they've dealt with some of those details. I don't "need" a blackberry type device, I just wanted it because of the cool factor (and I'm sure that once I had it, I'd find uses for it, but for now, I won't miss them).

I'll probably pull the trigger on the CB100 today, or tomorrow.
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02-27-2010 09:00 PM  10 years ago
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4#6. And no horrible motor driven tails. Then you can upgrade head to 4G6 - CP, then better motor. And nice controller, if you wish. Not sure if you can upgrade directly though. Looks like you can, but not sure.

I do not have 4#6, but I have 4G6 - nice.
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02-27-2010 09:27 PM  10 years ago
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How does the CB100 compare to the mSR?Revolectrix Beta Team
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02-27-2010 11:37 PM  10 years ago
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Very, very comprable. It's basically just E-Flight vs Walkera.
I could actually save a few dollars going with an mSR, because I could get it BNF and use my DX6i.
But the CB100 is a 4#3 with the 45* flybar, so I can swap my 4#3b head onto it when I get bored with the ultra stable configuration. I don't believe E-Flight has a full FP head for the mSR.

Also, the Walkera comes in several double brushless configurations, and the E-Flight doesn't.

The E-Flight probably has a slight edge in the quality department, but the Walkera is a bit more flexable, since I can reconfigure it into a full FP.

I've seen some pretty heated arguments between the two helis.
It really just comes down to preference, with some brand loyalty thrown in.
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02-27-2010 11:44 PM  10 years ago
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Hmm.. 4#6 is a full micro Fp, that is slightly larger than the 4#3.
I was looking for the higher stability of the 45* flybar. The 4#6 doesn't have that.

The 4#6 is a better heli though. I like the shaft drive tail over the motor driven tails. It's definitely worth considering though.
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02-28-2010 12:00 AM  10 years ago
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Unfortunately I cannot comment on 4#6 vs CB100. I just expressed that I really like 4G6, but being CP, it is far from being stable and gets damaged on crashes. I believe the same is with 4#6. As a negative of 4G6 and 4#6, I can say that tail servo is weak and wears out pretty quickly. At least I am on second tail servo and it starts to twitch even on the ground, without any spool up. Also stock motor is not that good, because it's getting quite hot.
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02-28-2010 03:26 AM  10 years ago
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Well if the CB100 is as good as the mSR and it can take CP head, it might well be worth it. I got quite bored with my mSR after the first couple flights and a CP head would have help me. But eFlight will probably wait until next Christmas to release a CP version.

I think this size heli with a CP head will really hit the big time when the can figure out how to include a flybarless controller on the circuit board. The mSR is amazingly robust and can be crashed repeatedly without damage. It would not be that way if there were a CP head attached. But a FBL head, that might stand up as well as the FP head.

On another note, I was at the LHS this week and witnessed a purchase of a new Eflight Blade SR. One of the guys was attempting to trim it out for the customer but couldn't get the tail dialed in. With that cheap gyro and the motor driven tail, setting the gain was quite tricky. It was either in constant wag or loosy goosy. Before the customer even left the store, he was asking about upgrading the gyro. And so it goes with Eflight. The mSR seems to be an Eflight exception. Rarely needs parts after a crash and there's really no upgrade parts needed. Someone at Eflight probably got fired over that.
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02-28-2010 08:42 AM  10 years ago
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The mSR seems to be an Eflight exception. Rarely needs parts after a crash and there's really no upgrade parts needed. Someone at Eflight probably got fired over that.
lol
A fortunate (for us) mistake.
And it actually brings a positive note to the mSR... local parts. Every LHS in the country (it seems) carries Eflight parts. Walkera is purely mail order.

However, the CB100 will take a pretty good beating and keep on ticking. I know my 4#3 sure did. But with these sub micros, you really have to re-categorize the definition of a "crash". What would destroy a Trex-450, wouldn't even bend a blade on these. The lighter weights, lower head speeds, and all of that really make them very robust. But what (to me) counts as a "crash" with a larger heli, is just an ingracefull landing with these little ones. That's part of what makes them so fun.
Well if the CB100 is as good as the mSR and it can take CP head, it might well be worth it. I got quite bored with my mSR after the first couple flights and a CP head would have help me. But eFlight will probably wait until next Christmas to release a CP version
Slight correction: The CB100 will easily convert to a conventional FP, not a CP. The CB100 is essentially a 4#3 with a different head.
Since I have a 4#3 sitting on the desk with an upgraded 4#3B head on it, I could put that head on the CB100 when I got bored with it.

THere was a little speculation on the 4#6 converting to a 4G6 (which IS a micro CP), but I'm not so sure that would work out. But then I don't know that much about those two helis.

So, if you're looking for a micro CP, take a look at the 4G6. Nice little heli in the sub-micro category.
Wow Hobbies has the Walkera line in many modified configurations. Most with hopped up brushless motors.
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02-28-2010 09:07 AM  10 years ago
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Hmm.. I think I'm getting confused between the 4G6, and the 4G3

The 4G3 is the CP version of the 4#3, but slightly larger.
I believe the 4G6 is larger than the 4G3.
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02-28-2010 11:32 AM  10 years ago
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4G6 is just slightly latger, just a tad. They have the same servos, head.
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02-28-2010 01:21 PM  10 years ago
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Here is some fellers fartin around with the 4G3 outside. Seems like its a little windy and the heli goes down several times with no damage.

Watch at YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNyBPdQlaps
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02-28-2010 03:19 PM  10 years ago
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4G6 is just slightly latger, just a tad. They have the same servos, head.
So They managed to get a shaft drive tail in that small package?
Cool!

DougsRC

Good vid! Those guys weren't exactly crack pilots, but it did show off the 4G3 a bit.
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02-28-2010 04:04 PM  10 years ago
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So, if you're looking for a micro CP, take a look at the 4G6. Nice little heli in the sub-micro category.
Before I bought the mSR I did look close a the 4G6. At the time, it came with an underpowered motor and costs considerably more than the mSR. Everyone, even experienced pilots who bought the mSR were raving about how fun they were. Many still are quite happy with it.

The other factor was I didn't want another heli that needed constant maintinance. I'll already working on helis more than I'd like and the mSR has met its promise in that area. Lots of crashes. Almost nothing to adjust or replace. After about 100 or so crashes, I finally cracked the canopy.

I have yet to see what everyone is so excited about. Sure its fun to zip around inside, or even outside. But if I can't use it build my skills, its not useful to me. Things really turned around when I saw the video with the negative pitch blades. I'm now running it with that setup and I use it work on my inverted. Requires a hand launch and hand landing (more of a grab). But finally I've found a use for this thing.
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02-28-2010 06:00 PM  10 years ago
!2Old2Fly

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Greg, Greg, Greg . . .
What "are" we going to do with you?

I think helis like the mSR, and the CB100, CB180, etc., were designed for two purposes:

1) Beginning heli pilots who need the slow speeds, and stability
and
2) Experienced pilots who just want something fun to buzz around the house/office with.

Not everything needs to be a learning tool, nor a brick in the road to a higher level of <something>
Sometimes, they're just fun to buzz around, and "play" with.

In my case, I want the CB100 for some orientation practice, and to be able to buzz around the office when I reach brain saturation with work. It will build some skills, and provide a much needed break.

But not everything needs to make you a better pilot.
There comes a time when you've earned the right to just sit back & watch the rotors spin, and have a little fun with this hard earned skill set.

As to the 4G3/4G6 class sub-micro CPs.
I passed on them for similar reasons as you.
I may revise that in the future, but for today, they're more than I want.
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