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02-25-2010 04:32 PM  10 years ago
bkervaski

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Next time you go to IRCHA, look and see what it dominating the flightline.
Marketing does not a superior product make.

While I personally think the 9303/DSM and better JR radios are great, I prefer my 12Z/FASST system.

The guys that fly Spektrum at our field actually wore their radios out and bought 9303's.

The JR Spektrum brand represents some great starter radios, but an investment in quality would serve one better.

My $0.02

lol, maybe that's the JR game plan, buy Spektrum, wear it out, have a bunch of receivers, buy a nicer JR tramsitter. Not a bad strategy, like Align bundling servos, governors, and gyros with their kits.
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02-25-2010 04:43 PM  10 years ago
Furious Predator

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what effect would having the servos under a load have?

as it is, both servo's are under identical loading conditions as it is.

there are cases where loading would have an effect, but not in this case. both radio systems recover and start sending a signal again at 3.1V, end of story.
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02-25-2010 04:53 PM  10 years ago
ttsingram

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I've always cracked up at the "end of story" lines.
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02-25-2010 04:55 PM  10 years ago
Smok

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Next time you go to IRCHA, look and see what it dominating the flightline.

Marketing does not a superior product make.
I'd agree with bkervaski on that one...

AFAIK, making a cheap, low cost product, that involves cutting corners in design and manufacturing - that's a well known way that allows to spend more on marketing, to pay people who sell and promote it (spiff anyone), to buy some well known figures who can pose as "devotee users" - and still to sell at a price below competition, while making heaps of money in the process... That's the very old story of inferior but cheap product winning in free market competition with a quality product - unless the maker of the latter can create a value proposition and finds a way to communicate this to the customers... Also IRCHA might be not representative of the whole world, I guess in Germany you'll see lots of Graupner, elsewhere in Europe there is lots of Futabas, all depends on place, what's popular in any given club and so on...
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02-25-2010 05:03 PM  10 years ago
ttsingram

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Well put Smok. In the US Spektrum is heavily promoted. In fact at my LHS that's mostly what they offer. They will not even try to get other brands in. I asked them about getting Airtronics radios and they said no one would sell to them. BULL! I talked to a ATX rep who said they just had to set it up.

It's all about who spends the most money promoting their product. Spektrum, JR, Futaba, Airtronics, their all good. It's just about who sells what and what you prefer.
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02-25-2010 05:05 PM  10 years ago
Furious Predator

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I've always cracked up at the "end of story" lines.
why is that?
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02-25-2010 05:17 PM  10 years ago
ttsingram

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Because to me usually anyone who uses that term think they are never wrong. Usually come across to me that they are "holier that thou" attitude. I'm not saying you are that way, just that is my first thought when someone uses that term.
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02-25-2010 05:18 PM  10 years ago
Furious Predator

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well...im never wrong though, end of story...
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02-25-2010 05:41 PM  10 years ago
Ronald Thomas

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Marketing does not a superior product make.
That was in response to the Spektrum in a hole comment which was meant another way anyway. BTW just because you spent more money on a tx does not make it better. How many 14MZ had to be sent back for updates/repairs not too long ago........Ron
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02-25-2010 05:52 PM  10 years ago
bkervaski

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How many 14MZ had to be sent back for updates/repairs not too long ago
Not many, it only affected a small batch of radios.

I believe there was a much more widespread Spektrum recall a while back.

Both companies did their customers right.

But, there is a different between a defect being serviced by the manufacturer and a cheap radio wearing out.

My 12Z still works like new, 3 years old, never serviced. I'm willing to be the 9303 and better share the same story. How's your Spektrum after 3 years?
BTW just because you spent more money on a tx does not make it better
I respectfully disagree, you get what you pay for.
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02-25-2010 06:02 PM  10 years ago
ttsingram

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well...im never wrong though, end of story...
ha ha
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02-25-2010 06:11 PM  10 years ago
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Having been in this hobby 30+ yrs all I can say is I am more than happy to use either system as both give extremely reliable radio links.

Currently I have both a DX7/12FG and both have been excellent.

Only improvements I could suggest is the Spektrum aerials are still to fragile, and since the aerial is not user servicable the RX needs to be returned for replacement aerials to be fitted.

Also the satelite/main Rx's link leads plugs can be a bit iffy over time..

IMHO Spektrum could make a great product even better by changing the aerials to a micro coaxial and therefore user servicable. Personally I also prefer a single RX rather than a two piece.

Mr Adams, would it not be possible for a one piece Speccie RX running long coaxial aerials to overcome this?
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02-25-2010 06:15 PM  10 years ago
Stick Twanger

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But, there is a different between a defect being serviced by the manufacturer and a cheap radio wearing out.
Hey, everyone has problems. How you deal with it is what counts.
You could deny the problem even exists and try to place blame somewhere else like maybe your battery while designing band-aids to cover it up or you could say that we made a mistake and here is how we are going to fix it.

The above video conveniently used servos that stop working at 3 volts but failed to point out the Futaba receiver was still working.
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02-25-2010 07:12 PM  10 years ago
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Only improvements I could suggest is the Spektrum aerials are still to fragile, and since the aerial is not user servicable the RX needs to be returned for replacement aerials to be fitted.
Agreed, but I have not had any antenna failures since I started gluing the base of the antenna to the RX with a hot glue gun. I have also started putting a piece of heat shrink tubing over the antenna. Really helps strengthen them.
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02-25-2010 11:24 PM  10 years ago
Ronald Thomas

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My 12Z still works like new, 3 years old, never serviced. I'm willing to be the 9303 and better share the same story. How's your Spektrum after 3 years?
I had mine DX-7 for 2 and it was flawless. The only reason for the upgrade was because the X9303 I got was basically free
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02-26-2010 12:15 AM  10 years ago
DarkSide41

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I've had one of the first DX7's since mid 2007 and currently still use it along side a Futaba 10X ,with never a problem from either.

All the Futaba vs Spektrum is as bad as the
Ford vs Chevy
Harley vs metric crap.

It is boring and dumb.

But.....have noticed a lot of Spektrum modules in Futaba radios but still have never seen a Spektrum owner stick a Futaba part in thier tx ??? Hmmmm
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02-26-2010 01:31 AM  10 years ago
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02-26-2010 03:12 AM  10 years ago
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Thankfully I have a Spektrum.
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02-26-2010 03:39 AM  10 years ago
Thomas L Erb

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First off this test is faulty. If you look they are using jr digital servos. when the servos stopped the "servo" did not respond but the futaba rx still was fine as the light was still green. They used the 606 which is one of the first 2.4 rx's out. much has improved since then but remember the rx is still working! lastly you will not see this condition in the field because the throttle failsafe would have reduced the throttle at 3.7v and told you that there is a problem! you would have cycled the throttle and got your throttle back or just auto rotated down to a landing. I guess i would rather have a radio that told me i had a problem and let me land then one that told me the same thing after i crashedYou decide for yourself

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02-26-2010 04:06 AM  10 years ago
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This whole mine is better than yours is a pile of stinky..... Both are decent products, both have their selling points that would make someone choose one over the other. One of my personal choice features of Spektrum/JR is model match, we all pull stupid moves and this might help me avoid one of those moments.

I started in helis with an Airtronics RD6000, ended up selling it because I had a better chance of finding a virgin stripper than someone around here that had one to help. I then had a Futaba 9C which was a great radio and many guys got into helis with that one. Then I went to a 9Z which I like to fondly (did I really say fondly) remember as a learning experience. Next I had a 12z, again a great radio and one of my favorites.

In the end I purchased one of the first available DX7 radios from the local hobby town after seeing these radios at Ihobby in October of 06(sold the 12z for the DX7). I knew then that the 72mhz line was dead and at the time Futaba did not seem to have any plan to leave shore before the boat set sail.

As a consumer the one place where no one can deny that Spektrum/JR wins is in warranty. With JR/Spektrum whether I have paid 300 for a radio or 1500.00 for a radio I get a 3 year warranty. To me that says we believe in our product.

BTW--I still have that original DX7 and it works/looks great.
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