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02-25-2010 06:16 AM  10 years ago
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erick420

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confined area flight.
So this will probably fly in the face of all the self appointed "saftey officers" here.
How tight of an area have you flown in for a paying shot?
How close where those trees or the side of that building? How about those doing tower inspections. How close behind that car on a movie chase shot? What if the flight is almost purely vertical? can you get it up () and down in ,say a 15' x 15' area all the way to 250' up. With powerlines, buildings and tress around you.
Just trying to see what may be the norm in the professional world of AP.
There has to be a limit were you turn down a job because of no room to launch. What if customer doubles the pay?
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02-25-2010 03:31 PM  10 years ago
erick420

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60+ views and no comments? are all of you guys flying out in the middle of BFE? Beating the air into submission, because we can!
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02-25-2010 05:17 PM  10 years ago
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I e-mailed you on this.Robert
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02-26-2010 01:02 AM  10 years ago
wjw

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tight
People may feel uncomfortable about posting on this subject.
Most of my flying is over water where I have to take off and land either on a dock with pilings every 8 feet, an open pool deck (usually very tight). The trick here is to stick your landings.I often have to park the heli with in 10 feet of (low voltage) powerlines to get a shot. Taking off and landing within dense vegatation is normal (the one in the pic was done in 20 plus mph wind) After a while, this seems normal
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02-27-2010 12:17 AM  10 years ago
Mr Boombastic

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I fly inside my house.

Using a counter rotating heli and a small video camera, just for fun.

Your question cannot be answered by any one person and cannot account for all scenarios you may encounter. Therefore any advise may (most likely) turn out to be bad advise. Yes, there is the factor of people not replying in this thread due to the extreme likelihood they will cop a serve from others.

Firstly I would only fly in an area I was comfortable to fly in based on my own realistic abilities and experience. I would carry out a risk assessment of the location. This would need to incorporate alternate safe landing areas, visibility, collision with objects etc & etc. Each job is likely to be different from the last and different to everyone elses.

A 15'x15' space is definitely not a place I would like to be, even in a controlled auto-rotation occurrence!

This work is a fledgling industry struggling in most parts to be accepted. It should not be turned into a contest and we should not go down that road.
(Not suggesting in any way Erick420 is, but this thread may have that potential)
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02-27-2010 03:51 AM  10 years ago
erick420

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Mr boomb,----not trying to create a "one upmanship" thread here. Just trying to get the feel of current ap flying norms. Yes it does appear that people are very nervous about posting on this subject. That said, will all of the saftey nazis please stay off the thread!
There, maybe that will help. ( but i doubt it!)

wjw----that middle shot is indeed what i would call a tight area, it looks to be only 6' wide!. Isnt there a road behind you could have used? Did you really take-off and land in that zone?
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02-27-2010 06:47 AM  10 years ago
TaylorMadeHelis

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I flew this one a few summers back, two really tight areas.

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02-27-2010 08:11 AM  10 years ago
erick420

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Taylor- thanks. that is the kind of input i am looking for. very nice flying BTW.Beating the air into submission, because we can!
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02-28-2010 01:04 PM  10 years ago
wjw

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Erick420
Yes, there was a road up ahead, I backed my station wagon from the main road down this trail. The main road was only a 2 lane road with a fair amount of traffic, a heavy canopy of trees and powerlines.
There were small clearings on the road that I could have used but would have needed someone to halt traffic for takeoff/landings and then I would still have to negotiate the powerlines.
I would say that 30% of my A/P requires working in tight areas, 70% over water and no, I do not get extra pay for those conditions.
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03-10-2010 08:00 AM  10 years ago
erick420

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anymore thoughts?

come lets hear em
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03-11-2010 02:34 AM  10 years ago
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erick420- This was a pretty tight place to operate out of. Take off and landing was from the corner where the dock turns a 90 degree angle. With the span on a Raptor 60 there was only around 18"- 24" of clearance from the rotor tips to the pilings. Winds were calm, so it made for a stable approach. As far as safety, the only thing in any danger was my equipment. This was a very big factor in deciding to launch from this spot. I was very confident of being able to land in the space available. I would have liked to go up from land, but the trees made it impossible.

Rob D.

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03-11-2010 05:42 AM  10 years ago
erick420

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nice rob.
you are just down the coast from my former home of new smyrna. I dont see the emergency recovery boat.

Have you thought of going to the airport and getting some aerials of fullsize planes taking off or landing over the intercoastal there? may have to do that in "renegade mode"! i use to fly full size into there. very neat coming in over the water!

WJW:
meant to ask earlier. Obviously your rotor was smacking some leaves in that tight pick. does that hurt the blades? or is it just an illusion form the pick. it looks like the space is about 3ft wide at most.

Taylor:
how hard is it flying from a moving platform? i see you are in a vehicle. Ever fly from a boat. seems tough, is it?
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03-11-2010 08:27 PM  10 years ago
wjw

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Erick,
There have been times when I bring the heli back with a little green on the blades. In that photo, there was a few feet on either side of the heli. Basicly ya settle in to a low hover, hit idle up 1 and thread the needle. Your depth preception has to be good but other than that its no biggie.
Landing on a moving object would be fun. Espically if your landing platform was moving and you weren't.
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03-12-2010 01:25 AM  10 years ago
TaylorMadeHelis

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Erick420,

It is not that bad, the worst is if you are on a rough road. The worst part about it was landing on the front of the truck close to the helicopter, we did not want to land in dirt risking the equipment.

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03-12-2010 02:04 AM  10 years ago
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Having always being safe, I shot an amatuer movie in Racine Harbor and Eagle Ridge in Wisconsin (had permits & insurance folks) a year or so back for a friend grattis. I flew within 5 foot of a boat for a night shot and within 10 foot of a lighthouse. My cameraman and director told me where to fly and I used 4 spotters. The movie was shot in HD and WOW! I did high speed low passes up the bluffs and cliffs and over the lighthouse. I also flew over Lake Michigan at 1 foot over water both night and day and the footage looked as good if not better than real heli footage. Plus it looked like I was doing 500 mph since I got to within 1 ft of the water surface. I was safe and careful for my equipment and the directors camera.

I have still shots 10 foot from roofs for inspection. No big deal. 15 mph winds have been my limit.

Again, all safe and the closest people were was about 50 yards. I also had a minimum of 270 degrees of emergency landing spaces. Of course radio or hardware failure negates all of this. But that's the risk of any RC flying.

I have never charged for my work and have not done aerial photography for a year or so due to the whole government and FAA constraints. Frankly their intervention has taken my desire for aerial photography with RC away. I keep my equipment in hopes of someday getting the itch back.
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03-12-2010 05:17 AM  10 years ago
erick420

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screw the faa. from everything i have read they are just showing teeth with no real bite. Besides I am in Thailand.

you guys are doing some nice shoots and congrats on that for sure, can you give me some quick rundowns of eq being used, what heli, mount, downlink sys. ect.

Taylor:
are you wearing motorcross goggles for those shoots? Can you hear your heli in the headsets? Maybe from onbaord mic. Is that a FBL system you have?

keep the thoughts coming guys . thanks
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03-12-2010 05:28 AM  10 years ago
TaylorMadeHelis

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Erick,

Yes they are motocross goggles, I was wearing them to prevent dust in my eyes also for safety reasons. I was able to hear the other people perfect in the headset but when the helicopter was really close it would cut in on the conversation only a few times. No it is not a FBL system.

Taylor
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03-12-2010 06:47 AM  10 years ago
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This is pretty tight LZ. 4x8 sheet of plywood, uneven surfaces, rebar sticking up, high bamboo and power lines, oh yeah it was raining off and on. This is a cell tower site in the jungle above Honolulu.
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