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02-24-2010 04:59 PM  10 years ago
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Rob43

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Battery choices for Logos...
I am considering a Logo build. Not sure if 500 or 600 yet. Looks like biggest cost difference is in the packs. Question - can I reasonably plan to use two "discount" 5S packs from a supplier like Hobby City rather than the premium Hyperion or Thunder Power stick packs? I am not flying cutting edge, but if I build it, I'd like to start off with more afforable packs for the first season or two. There are 5S4500 40C packs available from Hobby City, but I can't tell if they can fit, or not, and if they do fit, will they place the CG too far back as compared to a stick pack overhung forward?

I guess I don't yet know if Hyperion or TP packs will make up for their initial cost in long term cycle life. I know if I flew enough they would, but I may get out twice a week for a 1/2 dozen flights each if I am lucky. I have a variety of packs for my other birds, and don't yet have enough experience to know the cycle life comparisions. I have seen some Zippy's die, but from improper storage on my part. I know my Hyperions outperform my Zippy packs, but I can't wring out the performance yet anyway.

Thank you.
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02-24-2010 05:08 PM  10 years ago
Ronald Thomas

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Do you have a link for that pack? (for specs?)Team MikadoUSA 480XXTreme, 550SX, 600SX, 700XXTreme, 800XXTreme!!
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02-24-2010 07:01 PM  10 years ago
Rob43

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HC pack link...
It's 4000 mah, not 4400, but here it is:

http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbyking/...?idProduct=9959
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02-24-2010 08:29 PM  10 years ago
Big Fil

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Never personally used them, but Qrrambero (on RR) is a local guy using these packs and they work. Maybe he'll chime in and give you his opinion of them so far.
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02-24-2010 08:35 PM  10 years ago
dahld

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They will fit, but best if you use a mounting plate to help support the front battery. Because the packs are only 4000 mah and therefore pretty light, you'll have to place them a little more forward for good CG, thus the probable need for the mounting plate.

No big deal really, just something to consider. We use one when we mount two 5S TP 4400's together is series for 10S. It adds an ounce or two of weight to the heli, but that's insignificant.

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02-24-2010 08:35 PM  10 years ago
Ronald Thomas

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I hear that the Turinigy series is a better battery. I have used the Zippys with good results but I am going for the Turnigys this time Team MikadoUSA 480XXTreme, 550SX, 600SX, 700XXTreme, 800XXTreme!!
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02-24-2010 08:55 PM  10 years ago
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i'm using 12S 2650 right now but wil rpobably move to 12S 3000 for a bit more flight time and so i don't have to put the batteries so far forward as dahld mentioned. I made a mounting plate out of lexan that has velcro so i can velcro the packs onto the lexan and then slide the whole thing into the logo for quick battery changes.***Logo 600 vbar***Henseleit TDR vbar***
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02-24-2010 09:24 PM  10 years ago
g_dmitry

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I am using some Fligtmax (2x 5s 30C) on my Logo600. They fly pretty good. But at the end of the flight you will fill that they dont have as much power as in the beginning. They become a little bit puffy after ~15-~20 flights. 2 cells died on one pack after 14 flights. But they are cheap... I in last 7 mouths I bought 4 helis (3 of them FBL/Vbar) and I did not want (and did not have free money) to spend 3k more for 10 flight packs (20x 5s Hyperions) for my Logo 600. I fly a lot (trying to do 10 flights on Protos/Trex500 and 10 flights on Logo 600 everyday, not during winter of cause) and for me it is not acceptable to have less than 10 flight packs, even if they are good as Hyperions. I have some Hyperions thought. They are good (better they Zippies), but I can fly with Zippy as hard as with Hyperions, just need to be a little (not much) bit easier on collective.
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02-24-2010 09:50 PM  10 years ago
Rob43

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Cycle life?
What's the cycle life of the Hyperion's? Last season, when they rolled out, it was forecasted to be high. My friend who flies more than I seems to get a season from bargain batteries before they puff. I have two Turnigy 6S5000 mah packs for my Outrage 550 which seem fine, and have as much left after 5 mins as they did when I took off...but it's only using 70% of the pack and I don't tax them at all yet. I have always read the more expensive batteries well outlast the bargain packs, even if you're like me and don't yet have the skills to push them hard. Exceptions I have seen several times include the Outrage XP's. Many unhappy owners of short-lived puffy packs. If one of my Turnigy packs puffed, I'd have to cut it out of the frames! LOL! It's tight fitting. How wide and tall is the tray in the 500, and 600?
Rob
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02-24-2010 10:57 PM  10 years ago
SGrim80

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I'm using 2x 5s Turnigy 4000mah packs wired into a single 10s pack. Balances nicely with the pack all the way back in the frame.

Also, I just cut out two pieces of cardboard to sandwich the two packs and then wrapped electrical tape around it as tight as I could making sure to put some extra wraps around the seam of the two packs. Can't tell you how they fare in a crash but so far I have no complaints. Plus with no logo on the pack now I run "mystery batteries" lol. Kinda stole the idea from Mario who used duct tape instead of electrical tape.

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02-24-2010 11:09 PM  10 years ago
Qrrambero

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I do have the Turnigy 4000. So far so good.
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbyking/...S_30C_Lipo_Pack
Yes you need to place one of them forward. I put a carbon plate battery holder from my Vibe 50 and it works.
The problem with the Turnigy is that Hobby King does not have them and I have been waiting for two more sets since January. Plus is Chinese New Year and perhaps I will see these batteries in the Summer
Ae
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02-25-2010 02:55 AM  10 years ago
Rob43

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Thanks
Appreciated everyone's advice and information.
Rob
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02-25-2010 03:00 AM  10 years ago
Funky Trex

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After paying way too much for 3 Outrage 6S 5000s I learned my lesson. I have well under 30 flights on those lipos and they have much less power than before. I finally picked up 2 Turnigy 5000s. They were cheap for the size and they are working good so far.... they sure can't be any worse
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07-01-2010 01:22 AM  10 years ago
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Personally this goes way back. But things have changed allot with lipos folks. I to got realed in with several brands in past that had it in the beginning but didn't last simply put. The latest tech from TP and Hyperions are showing this very evolvement of the technology out there. Currenty running TP in the 30 and 45c fashion and the IR goes down as they get cycle and so far have been performing flawless and very consitent. When lipo discussions as such come out I always think of "useable" cycles where you recieve same power every flight. That is where he new tech packs shine. To me after pack has sagged out I'm not interested in flying it as you need to change your style, timer, and that is a negative for me at least. Be well

Btw dmitry tried my packs last FF I'm pretty sure he saw and felt the difference in flight and after.
...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...
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07-01-2010 03:02 AM  10 years ago
g_dmitry

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Yes, I have to agree that TP 45c performs awesome! I pushed them really hard on purpose, they hold amazing, and were just barely warm after flight. They are simply the best packs I have tried. TP should be cheaper in long run than Turnigy, and of cause they perform way better.
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07-01-2010 05:47 AM  10 years ago
thayghetucsb

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i guess one thing fliers should take into the equation is that how often do you crash? expensive pack like TP or Hyperions are getting more economical in the long run ( consistent power, more cycles). This is given that you don't destroy those nice packs before their cycle life. I busted 2 of my turnigy 6S 30C 3300mah in their first 15 cyles. it would have burn a deeper hole in my pocket if these were TP or Hyperion. It would be more than worth it if somehow i can guarantee myself that i'll be able to exhauste their cyles, i'd go for TP or Hyperion for sure.
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07-01-2010 05:52 AM  10 years ago
g_dmitry

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TP has 50% damage replacement program.
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07-01-2010 05:55 AM  10 years ago
OICU812

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Ever get a HK pack in and was no good or in short period of time it goes south? That's where the ability to talk to someone and have something fixed/replaced adds even more value. I've found it's a try to know thing and u can never expect to convince anyone otherwise. Simply put buy to your needs but always keep cost per "useable" cycle in your equation....Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...
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07-01-2010 06:33 AM  10 years ago
spdntckt

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Anyone try the new Voltz packs that ReadyHeli is selling? they are pretty inexpensive (close to HK prices)
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07-01-2010 07:55 AM  10 years ago
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Hyperion 2x 5S
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