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02-26-2010 01:19 AM  10 years ago
joec

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The Sylphide has remained unchanged since they released the Sylphide C (Champion) model, which includes a lightened aluminum engine block, and a few other tweaks. Actually Scott's model is not the C model, but the older original Sylphide. When Scott refers to his 09WC model he means his 2009 Word Championship model.... not the JR Sylphide C.

So dont worry about picking up a Sylphide that came out in 07/08, they are all the same.

As for the ASG head he talks about... JR released a 10mm version of the head that is currently on the Vibe 90SG... since the 90SG is a 12mm main shaft.

But actually there is nothing wrong with the stock Sylphide head. Ito used it to win 2009 Worlds... Scott just likes the ASG head since it has a smaller hub span and allows for 720mm blades w/o as much overlap in the tail.
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02-26-2010 01:33 AM  10 years ago
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Skill wins, however when you do not have all that perfect skill power will help you make up for some of it. Case in point, an off beat analogy, I flew pattern for years making it to the Masters level. The move from the 2 meter 2 stroke 60 pattern ship to the 4 stroke YS120/140 put me a step above in the presentation and execution of my manuevers, much like the power of the electric vs glow discussion above. Scott could fly the (.)(.)'s off anything he touched and prefers nitro. The rest need every edge they can find to keep up and horsepower will give them that. Not to mention the hassle free performance and repeatability flight after flight.
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02-26-2010 02:44 AM  10 years ago
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Joec,
So probably my Vibe50 head is a closer version of the ASG than what the Vibe90SG is, since the Vibe50 is running off the 10mm shaft????
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02-26-2010 03:14 AM  10 years ago
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Hooch... no I dont think so... I am pretty sure Scott said the Vibe 50 head had very different ratios. If you want a head for a Sylphide, get the ASG head. And the ASG 90 Head and the SG Head are exactly the same thing just 10mm vs 12mm.

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02-26-2010 03:57 AM  10 years ago
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I believe Scott is the only person who can give an accurate comparison between nitro and E model. Basically Scott would have to fly two identical machine one nitro the other E and fly the FC3 schedule and then ask him where the strong point and short comings between the two.
Besides there are two many variable that factor in.
If you base it just on pure spec yes E motor have more power.

I'm sure Scott would tell you that he knows what combination works for him and it be difficult to change since his machines perform well.
Why change it !
Certainly these combination didn't happen overnight but over many years of trail and error.

Perhaps the idea of dealing with battery and charging may have something to do with it ... he rather just fill up with fuel and fly !

Personally I like the idea having consistent engine performance with Electric. Certainly the added Hp does not hurt.

Bottom line .... Practice and more practice will out perform everything.
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02-26-2010 04:06 AM  10 years ago
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Absolutely AMAZING paint job.

How did you get the CF look in the front? Is it painted?

Keep it up Joe.

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G
G... I completely forgot to address your question....

The carbon fiber isnt painted... its actually really carbon fiber. On the Super Gracy fuse the windshield (upper and lower) are all real in-laid carbon fiber... thats why it looks so cool!!!
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02-26-2010 07:17 AM  10 years ago
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Hi Group,
I am confused with Scott's Bell mixer setting. He claimed that he flipped ASG Bell mixer 180 degree and have swash side at outer most position while blade side in middle to achieve "3D" setting but this is FAI setting in VSG
With VSG, the most high cyclic rate setting is pivot at inner most, swash at inner most and blade at outer most. This really yields most swash power.
Can some one shed some light? Where can I download a VSG manual.
Thanks and have a nice weekend flying
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02-26-2010 07:45 AM  10 years ago
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Ramins,

I knew you would eventually pick up on this thread. I'm off to Hamilton for the weekend. Have reset Vibe50 to 3D setup for the weekend. Hopefully keep it in one piece!!
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02-26-2010 10:24 AM  10 years ago
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As for the Bell mixer setting, I agree with your comment but if you look at the entire head set up, you can see that he is using 40gram FAI paddle, 720mm FAI blades(200+ gram) and he moves the heavy flybar weights all the way out to paddles.

In this way, he has a heavy mechanical gyro(paddle) so he needs a fast responsive bell mixer setting. Just my view.

As for the electrics or nitro, it is a personal choice. And to me, I like the engine sound at high speed of my Gracy fused Sylphide too though I am not sure if mine can travel at 115mph.

P.S. Guys, I have a NIB Super Gracy fuse for sale. PM me if you are interested.
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02-26-2010 10:29 AM  10 years ago
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G... I completely forgot to address your question
I did notice that lol just kidding. It looks great.

Can something similar be done on a stock Vibe 90SG canopy? Can you PM me details please, like $$$ and turnaround time...

I'd appreciate it.

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02-26-2010 12:29 PM  10 years ago
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Gorgin4325,

The cheapest way of doing it would be the decal route!! It might not look good though. To have to it painted just for the sake of the effect would be a lot of work - hence a lot of money, unless there are some masking tricks where you can paint the criss-crosses effectively that I haven't heard about. I don't think it's worth anyone's while to do just for the sake of it.

Your other option is to lobby SAB and ask if they would do a carbon windshield version of the Vibe SG canopy. They do it for the Freya (and it's significantly cheaper than the original Hirobo item!!).
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02-26-2010 12:46 PM  10 years ago
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Great. Thanks a lot. Not that I need more canopies! but it just looks so cool. I still have a new blank canopy that I could do something with...

Thanks,
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02-26-2010 02:26 PM  10 years ago
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With VSG, the most high cyclic rate setting is pivot at inner most, swash at inner most and blade at outer most. This really yields most swash power.
Can some one shed some light? Where can I download a VSG manual.
Thanks and have a nice weekend flying
One thing of note... the mixing arms are slightly different on the V90SG head vs the ASG90 head that Scott uses, so his settings do not exactly apply to the V90SG head.

Joe
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02-26-2010 05:53 PM  10 years ago
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Personallly my scores should go up with my electric conversion due to the fact every judge had "tuning" on my score card. Almost impossible to get my mixture right at hover and upstairs without adding mixture control. Scott has a butt load of R&D into his setup.RIP Roman
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02-26-2010 06:24 PM  10 years ago
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I wager Mr. Gray will be
flying electric sooner than you think...sponsorships aside,
the writing is on the wall, and I would be surprised if he is
not testing electric power and considering the 2011 competition
power choices.

Just speculation, but repeatability alone will make such
consideration inevitable. Combined with his talent, this is the
fractional type of gain that makes for the top podium spot.

Ben's statements are fact, not idle opinion.

m
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02-26-2010 07:23 PM  10 years ago
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flying electric sooner than you think...sponsorships aside,
the writing is on the wall, and I would be surprised if he is
not testing electric power and considering the 2011 competition
power choices.
I would actually put money on it that Scott would NOT fly electric in 2010 or 2011... even with the prototype e-Sylphide around.
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02-26-2010 07:41 PM  10 years ago
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the Sylphide was not - and has never been mistaken for - a potential electric model. It's whole entire design brief was based on it being used as an IC model. From that point of view when you look at it, it all makes sense. It is the only model I would call the quintessential nitro machine for F3C use.

Turning a Sylphide electric makes no f£$@%£$%4 sense at all. And for this reason Mr. Ito used a Venture 90 frame for his electric Gracy (at least these JR boys show some common sense here!!!).

And I totally agree with Michael regarding what Scott's going to do.
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02-26-2010 07:49 PM  10 years ago
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Actually JR should be releasing an electric Sylphide, it was announced at the Japanese show several months ago....

And does anyone care to put a monetary wager on if Scott will fly electric in 2011??? I would... and I'll bet on nitro!!
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02-26-2010 07:56 PM  10 years ago
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I've known about that for a very long time . . .

it's called being f£$@£$@£ nuts!!!!!!

which is probably what most f3c competitors are if they stay nitro for the next major competition.

(and note all the open transmission system is absent!! So there would be no difference in using Venture 90 mechanics with helical gears and belt drive!!)
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02-26-2010 09:19 PM  10 years ago
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Ahem, er, uhhhhhhhh...
The world champion flew electric.
Discussion done.

I shall go further and say I believe
nitro will NEVER win a f3c WC again...if you examine
the developmental curves of the two, electric power density
is going up almost exponentially compared to IC development.
IC is done here...caput.

Please note my last year's prediction
of the Ito electric win documented in my posts.

M
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