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03-08-2010 04:40 PM  8 years agoPost 21
blade3d

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What do you guys think about this swash a lot cheaper that the century one.
http://www.helidirect.com/r50n907ss...ity-p-14048.hdx

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03-08-2010 06:08 PM  8 years agoPost 22
Si_B

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Be interesting if someone could post some dimensions of the swash. Looks good, but I'm sure I've read about the thread size being a bit small on the guide pin (it can break).

Much better price than the century one, even in the UK.

Let me know if you go for this.

Cheers,

Simon

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03-08-2010 08:02 PM  8 years agoPost 23
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03-09-2010 01:22 AM  8 years agoPost 24
Callum

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If that guide pin is a bit too small, You might be able to use the one off the ElyQ Swashplate if the screw diemention is the same

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03-09-2010 01:27 AM  8 years agoPost 25
oragami

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The Helidirect swash will not work. There is not enough clearance between the inside part of the swash and the outside connection, which means you cannot put Longer balls on the inside. The inside balls have to be very long, if not you will never get it to move. I use the Century swash, with long Balls on it, and it is still a bit slow for me, and this is the only swash that gives you enough length in order to make the swash function. It works.

Hope this helps

Craig

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03-09-2010 06:36 AM  8 years agoPost 26
blade3d

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OK I have a fix put a ring around the present swash and vwala

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03-09-2010 01:22 PM  8 years agoPost 27
oragami

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Yes. If you are confident with the material you will be using, then that is one option. Actually, the proto type swash was done by using a ring and some tabs. So yes, you can make it work, and that would be the best of both worlds. Send us some pics.

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Craig

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03-09-2010 03:12 PM  8 years agoPost 28
blade3d

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I'll see what I can work out but going back to the swash in the PDF am assumeing that swash will also slow thing donw right.

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03-09-2010 06:41 PM  8 years agoPost 29
Toolman

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Sorry have if I have missed something, but why does the New swash have shorter balls on the inner ring? I see on the ElyQ pdf for the 3 different configurations this is listed as 3D / FAI with a ratio down from 1:1 to 1.6:1. By why not make the New swash 1:1 and have the best of both worlds?

Tim.

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03-14-2010 01:31 AM  8 years agoPost 30
blade3d

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Check this swash out, you can use the longer inner balls from the original swash, it is a larger swash but something can probably be worked out if you use the bell cranks, there is one other thing if you look closely there is a slight bit of miss alignment with the outer balls and the inner

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03-14-2010 08:47 AM  8 years agoPost 31
Callum

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Nice Find,

Although that small miss alignment is going to cause some swashplate phasing errors,

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03-16-2010 03:01 AM  8 years agoPost 32
oragami

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I agree with Callum on that. The alignment of the outer balls is very important.

For now I think the Century Swash works very good. Unfortnately I have not tried it with my Bell Crank machine as It is crashed right now. But once I get it up and running, I will give some opinion.

If anyone has the Bell Cranks and swash mod, I would like to hear how it works together.

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Craig

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03-18-2010 03:40 AM  8 years agoPost 33
az_heliguy

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neither of those swashs would work anyways, the configuration is wrong. they would need to have the anti-rotation pin in the front.

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03-24-2010 06:58 PM  8 years agoPost 34
oragami

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The ElyQ swash will be available soon. It is recommended that you use the bell cranks along with the swash for best results. I am waiting on my new swash from them now, so I will give you all the tips and tricks after I test it out.

The century Swash was way to slow, so I took it off. I really didn't see a huge amount of difference in inneraction between the two. I think the main thing I felt was added stability through its slower ratios on the after market swash. Between the stock and after market swash, I had to do the same amount of mixing to get it to fly to my liking.

Will give details on new swash as soon as I get it, and can get about 25 or so flights on it.

Hope this helps

Craig

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03-24-2010 07:13 PM  8 years agoPost 35
az_heliguy

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craig,

i too took the century swash off, but the new one from elyq is a 1.66:1 ratio whereas the century swash is 1.6:1, so in all actuality, the new elyq one will be a tiny tiny bit slower then the century, but either way, im gonna stay with the stock one. was able to get a good mix on there to get rid of the interations with ail/elev, plus the stock is a 1:1 which makes for some nice fast inputs

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03-24-2010 08:07 PM  8 years agoPost 36
Toolman

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Why are they making the New inline swash a different ratio to the stock one?

Tim.

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03-24-2010 09:20 PM  8 years agoPost 37
oragami

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Why are they making the New inline swash a different ratio to the stock one?

Tim.

To make the heli feel more precise. It is a bit slower due to the ratios not being so radical. It will give it a more precise, yet slower feel. I will play with the settings a bit, as I have not flown the In line swash on Bell Cranks yet, only direct drive. I think there is going to be a very nice feel to the combination. We will see.

Thanks'

Craig

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03-25-2010 12:21 AM  8 years agoPost 38
az_heliguy

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the good thing about the bell cranks with the new swash is that you will be able to speed it up. leave the servo arm ball distance at the 19.5mm, but move the balls on the cranks closer to the middle. only questions is, what does the bottom side of the swash look like?

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03-25-2010 02:34 PM  8 years agoPost 39
Alexm0324

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I'm wondering how the heli would feel with the stock swash and bell cranks set up with the balls moved on the bell cranks.

Craig... Do you have any insights on the placement of the balls in the optional holes in the bell cranks and what they do?
If you can find out, I will make an illustration calling out the placement of the ball links and the effect of doing so.

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03-25-2010 05:27 PM  8 years agoPost 40
az_heliguy

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my guess is that would make it very very touch. it would speed up cyclics and collective, but yout gonna lose some resolution

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