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02-22-2010 03:13 PM  10 years ago
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Callum

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Vision 50c New Swashplate Preview
Heya,

Regarding the "Front Gyro Mount" Upgrade for the Vision 50c open the PDF Document and it appears that this has a new swashplate,

This looks like it should hopefully improve the phasing issues and interactions, Should hopefully be also compatible with the ElyQ Vision 50 Ultimate.
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02-22-2010 06:33 PM  10 years ago
blade3d

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So who's bright idea it was it to make it the other way in the first place, now that looks like a normal swash,,wonder what that will cost. I think the one that century sells is the same i may have to get that one.Blade3d
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02-22-2010 08:55 PM  10 years ago
az_heliguy

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the century swash is $60.00 + shipping and you dont need anything else, but to remove the century guide pin and put the stock elyq one on instead. you will have to shorten it because it does get in the way of the starter shaft.

you will also have to make new links that are from swash to servo as they will be a bit longer. ive already done this mod and can get the measurements if need be, but you cant use the stock links, they are not long enough.
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02-22-2010 09:41 PM  10 years ago
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Will probably wait for the Ely-Q swash. If its the same price as the current swash, its nearly half the price of the Century one your using (in the UK you will pay £60 for the Century swash, the comp swash is £27).

Funny really, some of the spares prices seem a bit excessive, yet the swash is relatively cheap. I'm sure the price of some of the more easily damaged spares are putting a few people off. Especially the price of the sode frames, and supporting plates.

Be interesting to see how long they take to arrive.

Cheers,

Simom
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02-22-2010 10:27 PM  10 years ago
az_heliguy

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wow, thats pretty steep... the elyq swash here is $40.00us, so thats $20.00 less then the century swash, but because that style is more detailed for cnc milling, the cost of the swash will more then likely got up to the same price as the century one.

i wouldnt expect the new swash from elyq for awhile as there has been no word from them exactly regarding the new swash.

best bet would be to pick up the century one for now definately worth it in my opinion.
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02-24-2010 12:42 PM  10 years ago
oragami

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I am using the Century Swash on mine for testing. The inside balls are a bit to short. I tried to space them out just a little bit, but it didn't make much of a difference. Even though the Elyq swash looks the same, I think the balls will be longer as to achieve a faster feel. Mine is slow, but it is dead on. I like the Mod.

Hope this helps

Craig
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02-24-2010 01:59 PM  10 years ago
Callum

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Will sure look into getting that swash, although im still testing the cyclock at the moment, But will sure enough get that Gyro Mount.

The Weather here has been dire! so not been out flying much at all,

All these upgrades will only make the model more better! and i will be competing in the 3D Champs Grass Roots using the Vision 50 Competition
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02-27-2010 05:10 AM  10 years ago
francis234

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the original swash have problem... ?
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02-28-2010 01:20 AM  10 years ago
oragami

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Not really a problem. I think is more a preference to how the swash feels. The New ELyq swash, or the Century swash which some are using provides a more guided feeling. It makes the helicopter track better and makes it even more stable than it already is. It is actually a very nice upgrade.

The stock swash works perfect. Some people have a problem with the movement of the swash with elevator control, and yes there is a bit of a translation error with it. But it really doesn't effect the way it works. In the end, it is a matter of how you fly, and what kind of maneuvers you are doing. I like the "FAI swash" as they call it, Swash, becasue it Feels more locked in, and some people don't like that feel at all.

I have flown many different set ups from a lot of the top pilots around the country, and everyone's preference is different. The swash is something to try, only if you are not happy with the performance you are getting now. I will warn you though, It does slow the heli down. Even making adjustments to the Mixing arms doesn't have a real effect on the machine. My ATV's are at 120, and My AFR's are at 105% on Aileron and Elevator. If you don't do this, the heli is a complete slug, and be forewarned that you will only get about 7 degrees of Cyclic out of it without Maxing out the AFR values, as I have.

Hope this helps

Craig
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02-28-2010 01:38 AM  10 years ago
az_heliguy

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craig,

how are you measuring the cyclic pitch? from the paddles or blades? i only ask because with mine, im getting +/-10 with my atvs at 100 and afr (swash mix - jr9303) for ail/ele at 45%...
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02-28-2010 02:40 AM  10 years ago
oragami

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Blades. You can get a lot of cyclic with the stock swash, not the century. Not at those numbers anyway. My Swash values are at 100%
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02-28-2010 02:51 AM  10 years ago
az_heliguy

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okay,

im gonna check mine again from the blades and see what it is
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02-28-2010 03:00 AM  10 years ago
az_heliguy

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here is what i got. with atv 100% and the ail/ele swash mix at 68%, i get 10 degrees cyclic
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02-28-2010 03:03 AM  10 years ago
az_heliguy

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if you want to be able to lower your atv and afr, you can get these to solve that issue...

http://www.centuryheli.com/products...A¤tid=137

im ordering a set this week to try them out will definately speed up the cyclics from the stock bell mixers.
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03-04-2010 01:03 AM  10 years ago
az_heliguy

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craig,

was able to go out and fly today (after a long time) and i see what your saying with the cyclics. those different mixing arms should resolve the problem though. im gonna order a set this friday to test out

other then that, still tracks smooth, no interactions on the swash...
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03-04-2010 01:57 AM  10 years ago
jschenck

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<finally> did the radio setup on my V50c today. Weatherman promises we will be above 40ºF for the first time since first week of December = modivation

My swash mix values (9303) are 45% for Ail/Ele with about 8.5º measured. 55% pitch for about 12.5º measured. This is with the servo arms at 19.5mm.
My Swash values are at 100%
How did you get to that point Craig? Are you running the ball links in further on the servo arms? Seems to me that might be a good idea to get some of the resolution back we are loosing by running our swash mixes at around 50%. Give up some servo/control speed for accuracy. This thing is so fast I think some reduction of speed for accuracy would not be noticed. thoughts?
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03-04-2010 02:03 AM  10 years ago
az_heliguy

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the values we are talking about are with the century swash installed and not the stock swash. the stock swash makes for faster cyclic because the "inner ring" is a 1:1 ratio with the "lower ring", but with the century swash, the ratio changes to about 1:0.6, so causes the cyclic to slow down. the way to speed it up would be to change the ratio of the bell mixers on the blade grips so the outer link that connects to the flybar is closer to where to mixer bolts to the blade grip, therefore speeding up the cyclic.

elyq has a new swash that is very similar to the century one coming out at some point (from the pdf that shows the gyro mount), just not sure what the distance of the ball locations are in relation to the stock on and century.
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03-04-2010 02:23 AM  10 years ago
jschenck

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ah, went back and read the thread - now I get it. Too bad I don't have an extra Century swash to try out. I'll have to keep my eye out for one, perhaps in a bucket 'o parts type of deal.
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03-04-2010 03:02 AM  10 years ago
az_heliguy

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yea, ive been looking out for another one too, $60.00 for the swash and $20.00 for the new bell mixers is a little steep, but it does take out a lot of binding thats in the head. i have to make some additional changes to the links to bring the swash higher up still because at full positive pitch, the swash hits the main shaft collar, but just slightly. i didnt notice any issues when flying, but im more of the "better safe the sorry" type of person, lol... so over the next day or two, ill make changes and give it another whirl.

i will say this though. todays flying was the smoothest this heli has flown since ive had it, that bottom plate makes a HUGE difference with vibrations. even the guys that i fly with said that it looked dialed in now and no vibrations like before

now i just have to work on getting the second one done up
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03-05-2010 04:38 AM  10 years ago
oragami

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Definitely, the bottom plate makes a difference. I opted to make my own, and it works fine. I broke it, so I am left without one again, and even though it flys just fine, I can tell a rigidity difference when My bottom plate is on. Makes the heli react differently.

Thanks

Craig
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