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02-22-2010 05:27 PM  10 years ago
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Nowadays the offended and victimized get get so much sympathy that it has become a source of power for them. I'm not talking about real victims of crime, but those that take anything out of context and embellish upon it. Case in point, there was a thug that attacked the police up here, he then said the police sodomised him with their batons. He sued the city and was filmed limping into court. After court he was also filmed running to catch the bus.Champion,Magic,MiniBoy,Xcell60+50,Intrepid,Intrepid Gas,Baron30,Whisper,300X,mCPXv1v2,Concept,Nexus
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02-22-2010 05:32 PM  10 years ago
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It seems to me the people who think that way (should not be offended by that word) Are not the people who have been negatively called that or any other name (fat, stupid, idiot, etc) their whole life by ignorant people. Some choose not to be offended by some comments and others choose to glorify it but if ANY word offends a person (on a case by case basis of course), it should not be used.
I had a well know owner of a shop drop the "N bomb" on me twice in a conversation. It just confirmed to me what an ignorant POS he was and it keeps me motivated to keep people away from that shop. Of course that was over the phone (like most cowards) and around his cronies. Face to face and one on one, the scenario would have been a little different .............Ron
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02-22-2010 06:35 PM  10 years ago
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I try and restrain myself from using it unless it really applies. In my opinion, it applies to both of these videos. All I'm saying.....
I've been called cracker, whitey, honky a ton of times. I just shrug and giggle and walk away. It's a word, not a weapon.
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02-23-2010 07:14 AM  10 years ago
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Hello

Like everyone that has lived a normal life (subjective to each person's experience), I've been called all sorts of names in my time. However, some verbal jabs hold more weight than others (especially those jabs deriving from pure bigotry). Call me soft-skinned, a loony liberal, a cry baby, etc.. but that word, (insert the N-Bomb here), is in a category of it's own. Like I typed earlier, I hear the word far more than I would like (one time is too much). It scares me to think how desensitized and blasé our society has become with making such a foul and despicable word the commonplace for describing, and even embracing, another person or people. Personally, I hate the word at it's core. And just because I hear other people using it, doesn't mean that I'm going to do the same. Out of respect for the way I was raised, I'll pass on that word and any other word that was/is used to project such negativity on people (no matter what their skin color). I do not and I will not accept that word as being anything more than the hatred and evilness in which it's etymology notates. But that's just my opinion. There are many people (white, black, etc...) who feel that there is nothing wrong using the word. I've found that many of those people pose the arguments similar to the one quoted below:
I try and restrain myself from using it unless it really applies. In my opinion, it applies to both of these videos. All I'm saying.....
I've been called cracker, whitey, honky a ton of times. I just shrug and giggle and walk away. It's a word, not a weapon.
Whenever I hear or read this bit of analytical reasoning, a few questions come to mind. If the (insert the N-Bombs here) within the posted videos are deserving of the title, (insert the N-Bomb here), then when else might the word (insert the N-Bomb here) be applicable? Is the word (insert the N-Bomb here) appointed to just black people or are all people (white, black, etc...), who act in such uncouth manners, subjected to being identified as (insert the N-Bombs here)? And how does that theory work with other ethnically-degrading colloquialisms? When people whom are not black (white, hispanic, asian, etc...) act out as shown in the video (or similar), are they identified as (insert whichever ethnically-derogatory expressions), because of their respective ethnicity/race?

As I've said in many of my postings within the Off Topics Political area, I'm not on here to start any battles. However, I do have an issue with what's being posted so I'm putting in my $.02.
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02-23-2010 07:26 AM  10 years ago
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If the (insert the N-Bombs here) within the posted videos are deserving of the title, (insert the N-Bomb here), then when else might the word (insert the N-Bomb here) be applicable?
Hmmm . . . is that a trick question? Joking of course. Hard to answer.
Is the word (insert the N-Bomb here) appointed to just black people or are all people (white, black, etc...), who act in such uncouth manners, subjected to being identified as (insert the N-Bombs here)?
Non-bigots are most satisfied (linguistically anyway) when all language (harsh or kind) is applied with NO consideration for the race of the target -- but with the emotionally-charged terminology in widespread use today this is virtually impossible. Too much negative emotional history attached to certain words.
And how does that theory work with other ethnically-degrading colloquialisms? When people whom are not black (white, hispanic, asian, etc...) act out as shown in the video (or similar), are they identified as (insert whichever ethnically-derogatory expressions), because of their respective ethnicity/race?
Yes, but thankfully that doesn't mean that non-bigots will be happy about it.

Bigots behave as they do mostly due to the evolved (or more often learned) human tendency towards xenophobia. Non-bigots do not see color. Instead they look for more accurate, realistic and useful ways to evaluate others.
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02-23-2010 07:26 AM  10 years ago
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your opinion is of course valid. You seem like a decent guy and I'm sorry if that word has hurt you in your past. Truly. That being said, why is there not more of an uproar from your own community to stop it amongst yourselves?? We've got white people (friends) calling each other that now. I see it every day. When it is used as often as it is, I think, to a lot of people, it looses some of it's magnitude.
What bothers me is that so many times, people like these two clowns get a pass simply because of their skin color. Sorry, but that's just wrong.
There are plenty of whites that behave this way as well, we all know that. But that's not what's on trial in the court of public opinion here. I guarantee you that the reaction would have been just as strong if it where whites acting like such idiots on those tapes. I'm sorry, there is simply no excuse for that kind of behavior.
Would you prefer if I muttered a different word under my breath??? My feelings for these two would be no less negative, regardless of the word I used or what race they belonged to.
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02-23-2010 07:43 AM  10 years ago
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My feelings for these two would be no less negative, regardless of the word I used or what race they belonged to.
Also well-said.
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02-23-2010 07:43 AM  10 years ago
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if you think the white man can be mean and bigoted to the black population just think about what they did to the native americans.

when was the last time you saw a family of native americans hanging out at your favorite restaurant.

and now we decide immigration is a bad idea.
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02-23-2010 07:53 AM  10 years ago
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i dare say 'light skinned' people have done more damage to the people of this planet than all other races combined.

next, it appears, will be the muslims. maybe payback is a bitch. not sure.
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02-23-2010 07:56 AM  10 years ago
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i dare say 'light skinned' people have done more damage to the people of this planet than all other races combined.
Likely true. And good job on the back-pedaling there, Nuttz. Fortunately we have most of your earlier 'opinions' on such matters preserved for posterity.

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02-23-2010 08:00 AM  10 years ago
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no 'back pedaling', just is what it is.

seems logical to me and i agree with the statement on what 'light skinned' people have been involved with.

you don't see a group of zulu tribesman in africa trying to kill everyone and take over the world.

and no, i'm not a big fan of democrats. or republicans for that matter but i do like ron paul.
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02-23-2010 08:02 AM  10 years ago
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no 'back pedaling', just is what it is.
No back-pedaling? Really?? Hmmm . . .

Accurate information is always good, and these days it often bears repeating.
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02-23-2010 08:05 AM  10 years ago
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i feel the same way about republicans. palin is a dingy air head.

but again, i'd be willing to give ron paul a chance. why not? couldn't be any worse than what we've had.
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02-23-2010 08:07 AM  10 years ago
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i feel the same way about republicans. palin is a dingy air head. but again, i'd be willing to give ron paul a chance. why not? couldn't be any worse than what we've had.
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02-23-2010 08:24 AM  10 years ago
llamont

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your opinion is of course valid. You seem like a decent guy and I'm sorry if that word has hurt you in your past. Truly. That being said, why is there not more of an uproar from your own community to stop it amongst yourselves??
Since I can only speak for myself, I will answer that question with, your guess is as good as mine. However as I typed earlier, just because I witness other people (even if those people represent the majority) doing something that is morally/ethically wrong, that does not mean that I'm going to do as them. I'm truly my own person and I can think for myself. And again, like I typed earlier, we (my family and my close friends) do not use that word amongst ourselves. WE believe that the word has no place in modern day vernacular (unless when referenced in a historical context). When people use that word around us, we make our views regarding the use of the word very well known. No matter how comfortable other people may be in using it, that is not the case amongst "ourselves."
What bothers me is that so many times, people like these two clowns get a pass simply because of their skin color. Sorry, but that's just wrong. There are plenty of whites that behave this way as well, we all know that. But that's not what's on trial in the court of public opinion here. I guarantee you that the reaction would have been just as strong if it where whites acting like such idiots on those tapes. I'm sorry, there is simply no excuse for that kind of behavior.
The two culprits featured in the videos were completely out of line and I'm sure that they will be (if they have not already been) dealt with accordingly. And we can go in a completely different direction with the race issue as it concerns the judicial system but I won't go there. They (the trouble makers) were extremely out of line I'm willing to imagine that justice will prevail in both cases. Self defense is a great defense when it's on video.
if you think the white man can be mean and bigoted to the black population just think about what they did to the native americans.

when was the last time you saw a family of native americans hanging out at your favorite restaurant.

and now we decide immigration is a bad idea.
I'm pretty well-versed in American history. I know about the plight of the indigenous Americans/Native Americans/Indians before Christopher Columbus sailed any ocean blue or before any settlers arrived in Jamestown.

My simple point is that there are good people and there are bad people. One's redeeming qualities are not are not the result of that person's skin color or ethnicity. You cannot judge a person's intentions or agenda based on the color of their skin. If that were the case, there would be no such thing as a decent person. Slandering an entire group of people (because ultimately that's what happens when you label a person with that word or any other ethnically derived colloquialism) based on the actions of a tiny percentile of the respective groups race, makes no sense.
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02-23-2010 08:38 AM  10 years ago
llamont

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no 'back pedaling', just is what it is.

seems logical to me and i agree with the statement on what 'light skinned' people have been involved with.

you don't see a group of zulu tribesman in africa trying to kill everyone and take over the world.

and no, i'm not a big fan of democrats. or republicans for that matter but i do like ron paul.
I am that light-skinned guy. Again, the color complex is another area in which I am very well-versed. Maybe that is why my views, on casual use of the word, are so passionate. I understand the agenda behind those who adored (and those who continue to support) the ideas set out in Willie Lynch's essay/speech, "How to Make a Slave." That's all what it is, but my question remains; why use a term that has such hostility (even if other people say it 100 times a day like it's the bees knees)? We all know that the term's connotation is extremely negative (no matter who you are referring to). Aside from me (believe it or not) there are some people who find the word very disparaging.
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02-23-2010 02:21 PM  10 years ago
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all very well said llamont. I've not walked a mile in your shoes, so I can't refute a word you've said. Personally, I don't judge anybody until I, more or less, know the fabric of their character. Once I've come to my own conclusion, it's pretty hard to change it. I'm a pretty good judge of character and rarely have I felt negatively about an individual and later changed my mind. The reverse however, is another matter. People can fool ya. I try to find something good in everybody I meet in my life. Sometimes there's just nothing there to work with.
The whole native American thing is, to me, our country's worse sin. But the past is in the past and in a lot of ways, we've done a whole lot to improve their plight. American Indians here and other places (not all, but some) have a lot of money and even more political sway. Don't get me wrong, it's still not an even trade.
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02-23-2010 03:04 PM  10 years ago
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WOW, This thread is 9 pages long already?"I just don't Listen" "
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02-23-2010 03:19 PM  10 years ago
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It turned into a race war but the race is tied,they don't know were all equal yet and name calling is bad .600LE,OS55,OS PowerBoost pipe,Align 610's,Spartan
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02-23-2010 04:15 PM  10 years ago
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true, and the first step is for EVERYBODY to acknowledge that whites aren't the only racists. I know many blacks that dislike every white, regardless. I've also had many Latinos on my job sites that speak english just fine, but always resort to speaking Spanish and ragging on white people on the job site. I don't speak it, but I know what they're saying. Infuriating when you know they're here illegally. My solution: kill 'em with kindness, it usually works pretty well.
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