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10-14-2011 05:36 AM  6 years agoPost 2001
Spitfire1

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I just ordered myself a 30cc size Sbach that I plan to use on 10s, hopefuly will be up rc flying again shortly.

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10-19-2011 10:38 PM  6 years agoPost 2002
red_z06

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Here is our Pilot RC 28% Extra 300 flown at the HOD 09. It was a test to see if it can be flown inside the designated flight box within the cones.

Watch at YouTube

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11-02-2011 03:58 AM  6 years agoPost 2003
Gregor99

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Hey guys, my 11 year old son has expressed an interest in planes and I'm thinking about getting him one for Xmas. He has been flying alot in Phoenix and doing well. He really loves the Piper Cub. But we don't have a near by field with decent runway. I was leaning toward something that can be hand launched and belly landed. I know the Trojan T-28 was a popular model a while back. Not sure if that is still a good starter plane.

Budget is $100-$150. I'm planning on using my DX7 and perhaps a DX8 in trainer mode.

Recommendations?

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11-02-2011 04:05 AM  6 years agoPost 2004
red_z06

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Parkzone Champ might be a good backyard flyer. It doesn't have aileron though. How is he on aerobatic planes on sim?

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11-02-2011 04:30 AM  6 years agoPost 2005
cap231ex

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Get him a GWS Slow Stick to start off with and see if he likes it. the plane about $35.00 radio and gear any where from $49.00 to what you want to spend batteries about $8.00 each. In all you will have about $150.00 -$200.00 to start and a plane you can hand launch from the backyard and land it on a dime almost. As the name implies it is slow so very good from a beginner but but fun for a pro as well, I' ve been flying sence '74 and I have 3 I still like to fly 8-10 times a year. Here is a link to my hanger which shows a couple of them , an American flag scratch built one , and a store bought stock yellow one.
[url=http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=248374]

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11-02-2011 04:11 PM  6 years agoPost 2006
Gregor99

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Good suggestions. He is very comfortable doing loops and rolls which is one reason I think he would quickly get bored if the plane was too docile. I had looked at the Champ, but thought it might be too small for windier conditons and it was worried the landing gear might snap off landing in tall grass. It may be light enough that it just stops.

I already have a DSM2 radio, good quality chargers and a few DSM2 recievers. I'd prefer not get a kit with its own radio or charger. The Slow stick looks interesting. But as I looked at it, I guess I found that I have few opinions I was not aware of in the beginning. Motor needs to be brushless and it should have ailerons. He already has a coax helicopter and doesn't like to fly it because its not responsive enough.

Having no plane experience myself I don't really understand why all models should not have ailerons. How well does the rudder work? Can you get into nice banked turn? Isn't there is bit of a learning curve when a new pilot transitions from rudder only to a plane with ailerons? Why not just start with ailerons and keep the rates low until the new pilot is more confident?

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11-02-2011 04:18 PM  6 years agoPost 2007
red_z06

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Can he do multiple rolls? That shows he is using elevator corrections.
If so, build him a 38" 6mm outdoor foamy.

DWFoamies Juka is an excellent one to get. 6mm do not shatter like the 3mm shock fliers do. When you break pieces off, you can just glue back with 6mm CF strips (1in long) put in as a staple to reinforce.

http://www.dwfoamies.com/index.php?...mart&Itemid=343

It is about $50 for the kit. Depending on the kv of the motor, I prefer 780kv range with 11x5 slo-flyer prop.

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11-02-2011 05:48 PM  6 years agoPost 2008
Gregor99

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No concecutive rolls. Just aileron, no elevator. Thanks for the link on the DWFoamies.

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11-02-2011 08:50 PM  6 years agoPost 2009
cap231ex

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As far as the motor goes I use a CD Rom brushless motor and a 10x4 prop plenty of power on a 3s 1300mah pack.
Ailerons can be added pretty easy , I have one that does have them .
As for the responsiveness of it after he gets bored with flying the stock under camber wing ( which makes it fly slow and stable ) you can make a flat wing with ailerons out of 6mm depron reinforced with CF rods (2). Now you have a very spirited 3d capable plane with a little more powerful motor upgrade.
I am kinda old school so I set mine up so the rudder is on the left stick and not the right where the ailerons would be , I think just because I used to it being there. Most guys I've seen thou put it on the right stick, so I think you are right in thinking there would be a learning curve there.
The rudder works very well and you can even pull off a snap-roll with it if you have the height and the throw on your rudder ( say +60* or more ). The stock wing has a lot of dihedral to help keep it flying level so with that and the rudder it does back in a sallow turn.

Although a foamie is another way to go , one needs to remember it is all flat surfaces and no true airfoil. They are the hardest planes to fly , I have flown with guys that have been flying for 10's of years out at AMA HQ and they can not fly some foamie models. Most guys will tell you at the field if you can fly a foamie you can fly any fixed wing plane out there and that is pretty true. I am not getting down on the foamie as I have quite a few myself but there are better planes to learn to fly on that will give a more comfortable feel to a learning pilot.

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11-03-2011 02:23 AM  6 years agoPost 2010
racin06

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Gregor99,

I would forget the 3-channel airplane and have your son jump right into a 4-channel airplane. Yes, as you said above, you can lower the rates to make the 4-channel airplane more tame. IMO, 3-channel airplanes w/o ailerons fly like crap...end of story. Since your son has logged sim time, he should have no problem with a 4-channel airplane on low rates. Question, is your son flying single-rotor CP helis? If so, that opens up some more doors regarding a first airplane. As you know, I learned to fly helis first and once I decided to try an airplane, I went with a 3D foamie as a first airplane and had no problems whatsoever. Anyway, stay away from the 3-channel airplanes. You son will be bored in very short order.

BTW, the T-28 is still a popular airplane. The T-28 can make a good first airplane if the new pilot has spent a good amount of time on the sim. Actually, I have a T-28 I'm looking to sell...BNF...complete with an AR6200. PM me if interested and I can provide you with some details and pics.

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11-04-2011 03:43 AM  6 years agoPost 2011
Gregor99

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He's not flying CP helis. He has flown my mSR but is not very confident with it. Like most of us, he does quite a bit better on the SIM than in real life, which makes me think a 3 channel is not such a bad idea. At least until its clear his real life skills come close to his sim skills. Its going to be an XMAS gift, so I've got some time to bette assess his sim skills and plan accordingly. Thanks for all the comments, much appreciated.

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11-04-2011 05:25 AM  6 years agoPost 2012
cap231ex

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[quote]Like most of us, he does quite a bit better on the SIM than in real life, which makes me think a 3 channel is not such a bad idea.

Your on the right track , flying one in real life is much different than flying one on a sim. You knowing that make you ahead of the game , as most people don't realize that fact. He also may be more into the sim than flying a real plane , until you know that it's better to not get a small fortune tied up in a plane he may not be interested in.

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11-06-2011 01:38 PM  6 years agoPost 2013
red_z06

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Pop Top

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11-07-2011 02:34 AM  6 years agoPost 2014
Gregor99

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Saturday was my birthday so I accelerated the plans and got two planes. The ParkZone ultra micro Champ (3 channel) for my son and the ultra micro Trogan T-28 for myself. This was my first ever attempt to fly a plane outside the sim. Starting out with ultra micros that were badly out of trim is not something I would recommend.

Fortunately, I had a heli friend that knows about planes. He got me headed in the right direction with the trim and before long, both my son and I were tearing up the skys. But not before I drove his plane nose-first in the ground and he flew my plane into my car. Between a little CA, and the rubber tip on the prop, we recovered quickly.

We spent the better part of the day flying and having a great time. Even started doing pavement take-offs and landings. Had fun running a few packs together as well. My son loves the Champ and the lack of ailerons doesn't seem to hurt the flight characteristics. He's doing quite well and reports that he's ready to move to bigger faster plane. I think we can spend more than 2 days with a couple ultra micros before graduating. But his comment and his performance was encouranging. My favorite comment he made was "Now I see why you love to fly helicopters so much".

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11-07-2011 03:16 AM  6 years agoPost 2015
red_z06

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It always helps to have a helping hand.

I'm glad you and your son enjoyed.

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11-07-2011 01:58 PM  6 years agoPost 2016
red_z06

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Here is our plank pics from yesterday.

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...31684290&type=1

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11-08-2011 12:36 AM  6 years agoPost 2017
ShankBones

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Gregor, good for you! I like seeing upcoming pilots.

If you wanted to step up in a foamy size, here is one model from Hobby Zone that is very popular in a few fields that I teach Heli/Planes.
Has everything you need to get flying, including lipo and charger. You can bind it to any of your Spektrum TX.

Super Cub LP BNF $169.99:
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Product...?ProdID=HBZ7380

You can even mod ailerons for 4th channel. Cutting out ailerons right out of the wing and hinge tape, 9g servos/linkages. They will plug right into the on board receiver with a Y harness.

"Whats Right is Right and Whats Wrong is Not Flying"

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11-08-2011 01:36 AM  6 years agoPost 2018
tryan02

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Just be careful Greg next thing you know your yard looks like this.

No Really I am the club President!!!

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11-08-2011 01:38 AM  6 years agoPost 2019
red_z06

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At least those are all completed. I had 18 open projects at one time.

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11-09-2011 06:23 AM  6 years agoPost 2020
Gregor99

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Well, my first love is still helicopters and I don't see that changing. But its fun to share my son's love of planes with him, so we will most likely a few more to the fleet. Plus, I have to admit it was kind of fun to be at the controls of a scale craft. A feeling you just don't get with pod and boom rotorcraft.

Given my son's rapid progress with the Champ, I'm leaning toward a low wing with ailerons. Perhaps I should revist the larger T-28, or this one http://www.horizonhobby.com/Product...?ProdID=PKZ5175

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