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02-08-2010 02:52 AM  8 years agoPost 1
LonR

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This was my 3rd flight with my new to me R90.Seems to flip/roll a tad bit slow,whats the max cyclic I can run?I set it at 6 degrees to be on the safe side.

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02-08-2010 03:01 AM  8 years agoPost 2
Badger 50

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Hey 450: I run 12/12 on pitch, and 9 on cyclic. And I could still run a little more if I wanted :-)

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02-08-2010 03:41 AM  8 years agoPost 3
LonR

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Sweet,i'll turn it up to 9 and check for binding.Thanks so much and it feels sooo good flying with a good head on it haha.

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02-08-2010 12:07 PM  8 years agoPost 4
Badger 50

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Hey 450: Forgot to mention that those measurments are using the Kasama head. You still should have little trouble running close to that though. Good luck with the new beast :-)

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02-08-2010 12:15 PM  8 years agoPost 5
jsenicka

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what paddles?
I ran +/- 7.5 on my 90SE ships and red paddles, and it was plenty quick. My R90SE setup was SAB 710 3D blades, red paddles, +/-11 collective and +/- 7.5 cyclic, and 1900 rpm on the head. They flew fantastic.

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02-08-2010 12:24 PM  8 years agoPost 6
Chris Lupa

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As much as you can get
I have run two R90s for a couple of years now (replacing them soon!) and have always used full cyclic and full collective with no bad tendencies. However, it really is a personal preference thing. I can't remember exactly off the top of my head, but I think I run around +-11 collective and ~9 cyclics (although I had to do a little mod to get that much out without binding on the mixing arms). Hope it goes well.

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02-08-2010 02:46 PM  8 years agoPost 7
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Hey Jsenicka: Good to see ya again. I appreciated your thread on the Kasama head build a while back. I run the blue 30 gram paddles on my 2 90's at 9 cyclic, and it is plenty quick. Tried the SS paddles but didn't like them. Maybe I'll try the red 20g and see how they work :-)

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02-08-2010 03:37 PM  8 years agoPost 8
Ts8103

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I'm with Chris, run as much as you can get. I normally run +13-13 on my 3D with cyclic maxed out and (dialed back about two clicks to reduce chance of binding) with the blue paddles.
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02-08-2010 07:15 PM  8 years agoPost 9
LonR

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Thanks for the replys guys.I'll max the cyclic out before binding and see how that is.The Red paddles on it now but plan on getting a set of CY super stubz.I have a brand new set now but there 5mm holes ,need a set with 4mm holes.I thought I read a thread where you can change the arms on the head to get more pitch/cyclic but can't seem to find it,is this true?Thanks once more .

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02-08-2010 07:38 PM  8 years agoPost 10
Chris Lupa

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I tried having a look too but couldn't find it. If we are both thinking about the same mod, then it's the one that Alan Szabo did when he was still with TT. I did the same and was very happy with the results. Basically there are two holes which the bell-hiller mixing arms can screw into. The inner one (closest to the main shaft) will give you more cyclic and collective. The trouble is, when you use this hole, the end of the bell-hiller arm binds with the flybar control arm. So, all you do is literally flip the flybar control arm so that the bit of it that the grub nut screws into is "facing" the flybar see-saw. You will then need to swap round the connection rod to face the right way. If you do this, you will need to use longer screws and many washers to bring the connection rod of the flybar control arm back into phase with the center of the main shaft. Now you won't have any binding and have more cyclic and collective...but only do it if you really want those extra few degrees for all out 3D otherwise stick with what you can get "naturally". I have tried using "bird-cages" before but had binding with them, too! Sorry, it would be SO easy to show you but trying to explain on here is very difficult!

p.s. This mod will also mean you will need to forget about the flat part of the flybar where the grub screw contacts, but it seems to hold well after many many flights.

EDIT: Here's a picture of my R90SE head. This should apply to you unless TT updated this issue? I did this on my models back in 2006.

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02-08-2010 10:22 PM  8 years agoPost 11
LonR

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Thanks soo much for the info Chris Lupa,im saving this page to my fav's so when I have time i'll work on it .Thanks for the write-up,VERY helpfull .

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02-09-2010 04:31 AM  8 years agoPost 12
LonRrrElite Veteran - Macomb,Mi - My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

Chris Lupa,
I looked into this and can't do it untill I get the metal flybar control arms --> PV0294,so im stuck in the water untill I get them.I have the TT head block and seesaw,thats it.Now I have a reason to upgrade somthing haha .

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02-09-2010 04:26 PM  8 years agoPost 13
Chris Lupa

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No problem, FlyingHigh450 I guess just stick with what you can get until you really feel you want that little bit more. Then just upgrade to the metal flybar arms.

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02-09-2010 04:36 PM  8 years agoPost 14
LonR

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Thanks Chris Lupa .I did turn the cyclic up and got clost to 8 degrees with no binding so I should notice that over the 6 degrees it was at.

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