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02-07-2010 09:13 PM  8 years agoPost 1
neavissa

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Hi there,

I am somewhat a noob to helis. I have a blade cp pro2 and know how to keep it in the air. I decided to upgrade and got the Logo 600 FBL and don't need a hardcore mega 3D machine. That being said, i just need a setup that gets the bird in the air. What setup do you guys recommend?

The kit comes with the vbar. What is the difference between the vbar and mini vbar?

thanks,
G

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02-07-2010 10:09 PM  8 years agoPost 2
chas1025

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G,

The mini Vbar is recommended for helicopters such as the Logo 400, Trex 500, and Protos.

The regular VBar is for all size machines.

There are several guys on here that run their FBL Logo 600s on 6s 5000 packs. I believe they get 5-6 minutes depending upon flying style. I would suggest the Edge FBL blades myself, everyone that owns them seems to like them. For a controller I would go ahead and get an HV Ice controller just in case you ever decide to go to 10s. With motors you have your choice between Scorpion, Hyperion, Xera and others.

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02-07-2010 10:45 PM  8 years agoPost 3
NTM

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Just do the standard logo 600 setup.
10s, jive, scorpion.
No dissapointments there.

6s is underpowered on 600mm blades and flight times are short. More flight performance and flight time on 550mm blades with 6s.
Castle ice is okay if you're sport flying and on a budget, but if you can afford it, the jive is well worth the extra money.
Logo's aren't expensive persay, but giving them the top notch electronics they deserve, to unleash their full potential, is.

I can't imagine someone coming from a blade cp to a 10s logo 600, you may literally poop yourself on the first flight

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02-07-2010 11:16 PM  8 years agoPost 4
neavissa

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you may literally poop yourself on the first flight
i already DO thinking about it...LOL.

thanks for all the input to both of you! What jive and scorpion is that?

thanks,
Georgios

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02-07-2010 11:18 PM  8 years agoPost 5
helicraze

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Jive80HV, scorpion 4035 560KV, 12T mod 1 pinion and gear, BLS451/251 servos.

Above is a very reliable and powerfull choice without spending huge money.

(you could always get the 120HV, kontronik motor and JR HV servos).

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02-08-2010 02:14 AM  8 years agoPost 6
neavissa

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(you could always get the 120HV, kontronik motor and JR HV servos)
would i as a beginner even see or feel a difference going with the more expensive, higher end stuff??? i doubt it. is the more expensive stuff really "better", or is it just the end of the spectrum and as such, presumed to be better automatically??? (really going out of my way here with my English, i am Greek)...

thanks,
Georgios

p.s. i just took a look at the kontronik esc and its $400 bucks!!! for what? i remember when people started to go brushless with cars, it had to be schulze esc's! people were spending hundreds more than they needed to...finally castle creations came out with something as good and way cheaper! is kontronic the new schulze???

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02-08-2010 03:02 AM  8 years agoPost 7
SGrim80

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IMO buy CC if you want to spend time setting things up and tweaking. Buy Kontronic if you just want to program the ESC and forget about it. Also, with Kontronic no need for a BEC if you dont use 8717s or savox servos.

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02-08-2010 03:09 AM  8 years agoPost 8
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You don't have to get the Kontronic ESC and the BLS cyclic servos. I'm running the CC 85HV ESC/CC pro bec with 4035-560kv Scorpion motor. On my cyclic,i have the Align's 610 Digital servos along with a Futaba BLS 251 tail servo. My L600 fly's like any other high-end electronics that i have. Basically,the high-end electronics is just an assurance that your heli are in good hands. But if money is not an issue to you,then i would just go all the way with the electronics which some of the people have metioned here in this threads.

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02-08-2010 03:38 AM  8 years agoPost 9
neavissa

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Also, with Kontronic no need for a BEC if you dont use 8717s or savox servos.
Not sure what that means?1 I know what BEC stands for but never really understood what it does?!
thanks,
G

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02-08-2010 03:43 AM  8 years agoPost 10
Ronald Thomas

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BEC = Battery Eliminator Circuit. A way to power the electronics on the heli without using a dedicated receiver battery as it all runs off the main pack. The issue with 8717s @ 6v is that they tend to be amp hungry and will shut down the BEC in the Jive. Either run it @ 5.6 volts (default setting) with 8717s or run them @ 8v without using the BEC at all...........Ron

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02-08-2010 03:47 AM  8 years agoPost 11
neavissa

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But if money is not an issue to you,then i would just go all the way with the electronics
Its not about the money, its about getting ripped off! I am not saying that kontronik is ripping people off!!! All i am saying is that i noticed, that every R/C enthusiast that wants to have the best stuff, doesn't really have the best stuff, other than their R/C stuff. Does that make sense? For example: they don't own the best car there is, the most expensive watch or live in the colonies in park city?! They are more than happy with what they have in every day live, why does it have to be the most expensive in R/C???

I really don't get it?! Does anyone have the time to explain? PLEASE?!?

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G

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02-08-2010 03:49 AM  8 years agoPost 12
neavissa

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Ron,

thanks for the info. Gonna have to do some reading on BES's...Don't wanna waste anyone's time on explaining how a BEC works if i can look it up on Google or here!

thanks,
G

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02-08-2010 03:51 AM  8 years agoPost 13
rocco.sj

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BEC stands for Battery Elemination Circutry. Basically, you don't need to use a extra lipo packs to power all your electronics.In other words,your battery packs are going through your BEC(middle man) to power your electronics. Kontronics are really good esc that has that option without buying a separate bec unit.

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02-08-2010 03:55 AM  8 years agoPost 14
rocco.sj

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Damn Ron!, you beat me to it!.LOL I like your answer better!

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02-08-2010 03:58 AM  8 years agoPost 15
neavissa

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i think i got it! if you have a good esc you don't need to either power the electronics with a separate battery nor do you have to do it through the esc?! the power goes from the battery through the bec and then to the electronics?!
thanks,

G

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02-08-2010 04:23 AM  8 years agoPost 16
gologo

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Actually, if you have a good esc, you can use the built-in bec.

But it takes a lot of stress off the esc, to run a seperate bec.

I have run 'Ultimate' UBECs for years w. total success/reliability,
but 'Western Robotics' Becs seem to be the best choice now-days.

Also understand your shock at esc prices. Motors are down to very
reasonable price levels now, (my first Hacker was over $200). But
good esc's are just crazy-priced, and kind of hard to find a balance
between good quality/reliability and decent price.

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02-08-2010 04:26 AM  8 years agoPost 17
neavissa

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gonna check them out!

thanks,
G

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02-09-2010 04:04 AM  8 years agoPost 18
neavissa

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Are 5000mah 5s 20C good enough batteries???

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G

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02-09-2010 09:05 PM  8 years agoPost 19
chas1025

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G,

The 20c batteries will work just fine. As far as becs go I have been very happy with the Castle Pro Bec. It works well is affordably priced, and is upgradeable if they should need to release new firmware. If you go with the Castle controller and Castle Bec you can program both through your computer.

Charles

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02-09-2010 09:29 PM  8 years agoPost 20
neavissa

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ok, so the 20C batteries work fine. great!
the cc bec looks good too. great!
what about the cc esc's? are they any good and recommended for the logo 600 in combination with a hyperion or scorpion motor?! I have the mamba monster max, for cars, and its working great! i am sure though that a car motor needs to be less high tech than a heli motor?1 maybe i am wrong?

thanks,
G

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