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02-07-2010 06:36 PM  8 years agoPost 1
STUPINEER

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Myself and another heli flyer are thinking about donating a helicopter (seadu or raptor with two 9303's buddy boxed) to our club for training purposes. For anyone wanting to give a helicopter a shot. Our club is all planes all the time, we did not rejoin last year because of all the BS. This year they asked us back, no other charges than the yearly dues. My thoughts on the donation is so maybe we will get someone else instred in heli's. Hopefully one of the board members. Has anyone else ever gone to this kind of extremes?
They are going to have a heli fly in this year. This will be the first one. So may be the buddy boxed heli's would be good for this.

I am looking for some good opinions or ideas on this one before I talk to the president tomorrow night. The sheer fact is heli's are not welcomed on busy days I would like to help change this. On the other hand the club, next month is going to put in a 12' circle heli pad for training only. They are trying to make the first step. What can I do to help this?

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02-07-2010 09:17 PM  8 years agoPost 2
tasmanian devil

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Where?
Where do you fly up in Allen?I'm in Arlington and fly out by Joe Pool lake at Golden Triangle.

I do'nt crash,I just rearrange parts.

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02-07-2010 10:23 PM  8 years agoPost 3
ch-47c

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I would take the opportunity to speak to a key member first. Present you hopes and ideas. See what he thinks, because you don't really know what there motives are up to this point.
I was asked to speak to the club members at a meeting once and all they did was critize helis. I didn't feel it was a setup, but the leaders weren't clear in what they wanted except what was needed for safe co-existence and facilities. Plankers didn't want to address it.
Maybe your club leadership has the foresight to open up to helis. I've flown at many other clubs and helis were mixed in. But airplanes have to realize that and helis can't do smackdown 3D on the touchdown zone of a runway. I fly planks too.

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02-07-2010 10:30 PM  8 years agoPost 4
Gyronut

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Martinsville In.

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Make the suggestion of flying helis on specific days and or times...

Rick

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02-07-2010 11:02 PM  8 years agoPost 5
helidevil

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use a crappy dx6i or something. not nice 9303's!

what do they know? it wont make a difference! lol

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02-08-2010 01:50 AM  8 years agoPost 6
STUPINEER

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The field is on Lake Lavon. rrcc is the club. Like I said before they made the first move by asking us to come back. the last two meatings I went too they were not too keen on addressing the only two heli flyers needs.

A dx6 would be a lot cheaper for the buddy box set up. I have never buddy boxed a heli. When I learned the traner held the pitch and tell and, I had the cylic.

How would you do the buddy box. On Jr site it looks like you would need a 93032.4Ghz something with a monentary switch on it for the main remote.

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02-08-2010 02:09 AM  8 years agoPost 7
ch-47c

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At our group we use the DX-7. DX-7se can't buddy box. Use a standard JR cord. Set the slave model to be used to heli. The DX-7 if I remember right will set everything in the slave TX to match the master TX when you plug TXs together with the cord, whereas the JRs need to be manually matched. JR9303 is overkill. I think they recommended them because the higher-end TXs did not have buddy box facilities. Keep your finger on the trainer switch for them and collective somewhere neutral or a little positive for a hover or else it will blow out of the park.

Put a beater canopy on it, and no fancy engines or servos. They are getting a taste not the whole pie, unless you intend to wear it out for them free.
Make sure you give a very short brief before you start that you will tell them they have control and they are to say they have control. Otherwise they'll get frustrated, as they don't know when they are actually controlling it or you are and neither is flying it. When you say I have it, it is really necessary when you are saving the model. And don't bust their chops. You're trying to win them over and when they can hover, they'll feel pretty good. If a few like it, there is your voice.

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02-08-2010 03:17 AM  8 years agoPost 8
basmntdweller

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Indianapolis IN

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They are going to have a heli fly in this year. This will be the first one.
Sounds to me they just want a couple heli flyers back to run their event so the club can make some money. Why else would a club that obviously didn't care much for helis flyers want to get them back and put on an event?
Maybe just the cynic in me but,,,,

Matt


Stupid people have no idea how stupid they are!!!

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02-08-2010 03:20 AM  8 years agoPost 9
ch-47c

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Maybe just the cynic in me but,,,,
nahhhhh. You could be right. He needs to talk to them and get a feel of what the club wants to do.

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02-08-2010 03:23 AM  8 years agoPost 10
bulldog319

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denver, co

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The 9303 makes a great Trainer master, The biggest benefit is the ability to transfer part of the controls. I also like the placement of the trainer switch.

I don't like using the DX-7 because the trainer switch requires taking your thumb off the left stick.

The DX-6i makes a good trainer master, but lacks the ability to assign part of the controls as far as I have seen. It also requires the slave to be programmed exactly alike.

I have used a 9303 master with a DX-6i slave and it has worked very well, I see no reason to use two 9303's

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02-08-2010 03:42 AM  8 years agoPost 11
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planks versus helis
I started flying radio controlled airplanes in 1966.I just started flying helicopters about one year ago.I have been flying in my backyard and at the local park with the helicopters.Because of the time of year there is like nobody at the park so I feel ok with that.When it starts getting nicer I will have to go to one of the local airfields for safety reasons. I, in my mind don't understand why people that fly aircraft don't want the helis around. I haven't run across or been confronted personally with this situation yet. Do you know there reasoning behind this subject? I would like to have a small idea so I will have some kind of a heads up on how to respond to this. Thanks for the input.

Doug McKenzie Flying high,fun,and fast

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02-08-2010 12:05 PM  8 years agoPost 12
Mutt

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in my mind don't understand why people that fly aircraft don't want the helis around. I haven't run across or been confronted personally with this situation yet
Some guys that fly planes do not wan tthe helis around but I find it more to be the heli only guys that start the crap between most rc flyers. Most of the time I have found from plane only guys are the younger ones that are just fools most of the old timers really love my helis they love looking them over and seeing how they work. I have lost most respect for heli only guys they have a elitist attitude and think they are above all others out there. But you will also find that in some plane only guys as I have stated. but in my experience most of it has been the heli only guys and I been flying for over 40 years and seen a lot.

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02-08-2010 12:58 PM  8 years agoPost 13
FenwayRick

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WOW!!! I have seen just the opposite and I flew planes way before heli's.

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02-08-2010 05:36 PM  8 years agoPost 14
fla heli boy

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+ 1 on that Rick. The older guys with the REALLY nice large planks are usually pretty cool with heli's. It's the old guys with their Carl Goldberg crap from the 70's that are the problem from what I've seen.
I went to a BIG large scale plank meet with my dad and threw my XCel 46 in for the heck of it. They begged me to put in a flight and LOVED IT!!!
Told me the only heli's they had seen were in hover only mode. A little 3D sparked the crowd up too. But man was I nervous flying in front of THAT many people!!!!

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02-08-2010 06:09 PM  8 years agoPost 15
cudaboy_71

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sacramento, ca, u.s.

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over the years (20+) of RC, the only happy cohabited fields i've personally seen have been where helis and planks have separate flying areas.

if the helis let themselves be railroaded, it ends up being a "go fly over in that crappy part we don't use anyway" spot. but, with a touch of diplomacy, and an open discussion helis can actually negotiate an equitable flying space.

IMO this is NOT a compromise. as much as the FOGs (effin' old guys) don't want helis in their sig-Kadet flying space, we as heli pilots don't want them in ours either.

truth of the matter is the two flying styles don't mix. sure, helis CAN fly a pattern. but, i sure as hell don't want to be mandated to fly it. i'd rather have 3 flight boxes with each pilot keeping in his own bounds. this will only be possible if the helis are granted some airspace.

my current field has the heli pit boxes/flight line 90° off, and 100' away from the end of the main runway.

even new clubs that are trying to accommodate heli pilots from the outset are adopting this format.

here's an ASCII rendering of our field layout if that doesnt make sense:

if it ain't broke, break it.

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02-08-2010 06:11 PM  8 years agoPost 16
Mutt

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It's the old guys with their Carl Goldberg crap from the 70's that are the problem
THose are the guys that love to check out my helis. It is the young guys that fly that same crap as you call it up to 42% that have problems with helis around here.
WOW!!! I have seen just the opposite and I flew planes way before heli's.
Well when I started flying they didnt have helis and no one was even thinking of flying a rc heli back then.
I would say it is different for different areas. As I have said around here it is the heli only guys that give the biggest ration to anyone and out number the plane only guys in attitude at 3 to 1. Now here on RR its flat out hate all plane guys period for the majority I have seen and in my opinion is just flat out dumb and closed minded its flying its all good. It is the same as electric vs nitro/gas I myself dont care for electric stuff but I dont care what the next guy flys as it is all the same its flying and it is all good.

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02-08-2010 06:35 PM  8 years agoPost 17
dhc8guru

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I fly out at STRCC in Mansfield. Nice club. I am one of three Heli Flyers. The other two have disappeared so now that leaves me. No one gives me any grief over flying a Heli and in reality they shouldn't. What does it matter what you fly. I keep to the designated heli area which is sometimes a little tight but no one minds if I move over to the main area when no one is flying at that time. In reality I don't want to fly around the planks. I get too distracted.
I think you may find your donation fruitless. With an airplane on a buddy box, you can take the bird up high and switch over to the student let them make the mistake up there where you have plenty of time to switch over and correct the mistake. I just dont seeing it working out as well with a heli. Maybe if the student could fly something like a Blade MSR or if they knew how to hover and wanted help moving into FF it would work.

The old timers dig heli's and want to watch or try. Puffy middle aged guys aren't as thrilled by heli's.

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02-08-2010 07:54 PM  8 years agoPost 18
Doug Darby

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STUPINEER..
I live in Fairview and I have been to at least two meeting of the club and also I have been to the field several times with my heli's but I noticed very quickly that I was not really welcome as with a new plane flying member might be. For that reason I chose not to join the club. They were talking about building the heli training area for the two years I visited and it is good to hear it will happen. But the reality is we want some place to fly as well as hover around and it is hard to do in a pattern with the planes all the time. The Grapevine club has a nice way of doing it in that every Saturday morning is heli priority until noon and Sunday morning is Plane priority until noon. With the field orientation at Lake Lavon, afternoons may be more important to share. That way each group gets its weekend priority. After that, they do a nice job of letting the heli's have some main runway time by alternating with the plane flyers. I have to say there do not seem to be many issues with the sharing concept. A dual field layout is really nice if you have the space. My solution was to join the small club in McKinney and it is almost exclusively heli's on the weekends but some planes fly too. We all enjoy each others company and like to help the others get flying time regardless of what they fly.

PM me if I can help in any way...

doug

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02-08-2010 08:19 PM  8 years agoPost 19
fla heli boy

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our local club is actually a "city park" that even has a large pond for boats. In the end (I've been away for 15 years), they poured several "pads" for heli's that is perpendicular to the plank flight line. Of course we face into the rising sun. But, for the most part it works pretty well. There is even hard roof structure for both flight lines.
The discourse is 100% better than it was when I flew there in the 90's.

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02-08-2010 08:58 PM  8 years agoPost 20
dhc8guru

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+1 on Grapevines field and there is alot of experience heli guys out there. I don't think you have to be a member to fly a heli on Saturdays, its an open invite...but don't quote me on that.
I thought about joining Golden Triangle also because there is also a nice Heli following but $225 to join and then $75 a year turned me off from becoming a member. Too many other clubs in the area that are $50 a year with no initiation fees.
If I didn't have a nitro heli and airplane, I would just goto a park and fly my electrics for free.

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