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02-06-2010 03:16 PM  8 years agoPost 21
Kevin Dalrymple

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[quoteWell, I think Aaron29 pretty much summed it up.[/quote]

+1 on that.

i do hate when new guys are all ways trying to prove you wrong. and time and time again you end up proving them wrong. (Sorry it is getting old),I wish they would shut up for 10 minutes and maybe they might learn something from the guys at our club and not just hear say from the web.

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02-06-2010 04:07 PM  8 years agoPost 22
FlytilyaDrop

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Staying on topic and thanks to all for the info so far.

So to all please share the skill level of this person you seek at the field as a newbie in your posts.
And for the ones who remember your own experience, what level of pilot helped you out when you first started to fly.

So far I'm seeing that 99 percent of the posts above its the intermediate pilot to find to help you??

So please share the skill level in your posts that defines your opinion.

This hobby sucks, when your not flying.

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02-06-2010 05:15 PM  8 years agoPost 23
djrformcar

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My first heli, a Cricket back in 81', I didn't have anyone around flying Helli's. I had to teach my self, without a gyro.
Flash forward 23 years, I got a Raptor and had several guys at the local field help. The best ones where the intermediate ones.
The Pros at our field are helpful but usually on a mission of there own, but all will help when asked!
I find myself now helping other beginners and I'm an intermediate fly-er at best. The best way to get more confidence is to teach someone else what you know so you can build your own skills from there.

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02-06-2010 05:28 PM  8 years agoPost 24
Elgreco

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Just read the thread and
+1 for Aaron...Nicely written.

Also, as usual Dr. Ben has very good points and true , I just have to add that being a newbie it might be hard to spot those details by himself in the beginning.

Dr.Ben ,
I agree absolutely, don't get me wrong,
I just find myself (consider myself intermediate,) still training my ear to engine and blade noises...

For a newbie, these things do not exist yet I find....

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02-06-2010 05:29 PM  8 years agoPost 25
Thumpernator

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My brother, who has several Raptors, came down from Illinois and helped me setup my first Raptor. I had already setup most of it, but hadn't received the throttle servo until the day he arrived. He found a couple little things I didn't have right. Anyway, he's an intermediate pilot, but a pro when it comes to setup, mechanics, and electronics. The stuff he used to build when he was only 12 still amazes me (he's 60 now).

I think no matter who you get to help you, never let anyone take your radio and change settings. If something needs to be changed, the owner should do it. That way, the owner learns how to adjust the radio and nothing gets changed unless he does it. It's not really help if someone just does it for you.

And one of the hardest things to do is to distinguish bad advice from good advise. You can get both from both ends of the spectrum (pro and novice).

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02-06-2010 06:29 PM  8 years agoPost 26
russ

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just talk to all of them they will all have had different experiences that will help you in different ways

russ

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02-06-2010 06:39 PM  8 years agoPost 27
JasonJ

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I would say look for the guy who seems to fly well without crashing all the time, and isn't always didlefarting with his machine all day long. To me, the guy who can just fuel and fly with an occasional tweak here and there probably has his act together verses the guy who spends every flight screwing with settings and adjusting this and that while burning a gallon of fuel doing it every time he is at the field.

I guess it depends on the help you are looking for. If it's mechanical, see above. If it is flying tips, going to the noobed out training gear master hoverer might not be the best thing. The hotshot stick banger is probably best avoided as well, since odds are he is just avoiding a lot of crashes rather than flying controlled 3D. To me, the guy that can do a few things well is a better potential mentor than the guy who can do a lot poorly.

But then, no one around me flies helicopters so I'm on my own....

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02-06-2010 07:08 PM  8 years agoPost 28
RcNutTz

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I think no matter who you get to help you, never let anyone take your radio and change settings. If something needs to be changed, the owner should do it. That way, the owner learns how to adjust the radio and nothing gets changed unless he does it. It's not really help if someone just does it for you.
I'm somewhere lost between "newbie" & "intermediate"

I got help with my first heli from a local guy that you pay to help (really cheap 4 hours for like $20 him travailing to my house) he was a big help and got me up and flying even buddy boxed me a couple of times at the field, but he done all the radio work telling me what he was doing when he done it but didn't under stand it, the only way I did get it was to do it myself with him on the phone and talking me true it I still give him a call every one and then for help or advice

to be honest for who I would like to get help from well 1st time at the field who ever was willing they all new more then I out of the 5 guys that was there they all pitched in on what was OK or what should be changed in between their flights, I would like help from some one with more experience and has bin true the A, B, & C stuff to give me an honest answer NOT they guy that only used product B and says its the best

yes dear the hobby shop again

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02-07-2010 01:36 AM  8 years agoPost 29
max232

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I would not go go with the guy who never flies, but always "tweaking" his heli. or the one who never stops flying, go with with the the one like everybody else has mentioned,checks over heli after flights,well running machine ect....and +1 on having them explain what there doing with the radio....learned this the hard way some guys will never get off the tit if you do it all for them even then some wont.

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02-07-2010 05:09 AM  8 years agoPost 30
helitom

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For lotsa different reasons, I say go with an intermediate guy. Seek out the expert level guy after you know how to fly and want to learn something beyond basic aerobatics.

That being said, I think a very important part of learning is finding an instructor/mentor who really, really doesn't mind spending time with the student. Teaching is time consuming and requires significant dedication on the part of the instructor. The beginner also has an obligation to stick with whoever they have picked as their instructor. If they change, the change should be for good. My experience in teaching is that there are lotsa ways to skin the cat from basic heli building and setup through competitently flying circuits. The most difficult students I've had are those who grab whoever is closest and the student doesn't have the experience or knowledge to understand the basic notion of there being different ways to do something. Confusion reigns as they cannot figure out why two different approachs are, "the way to go". Frustrating for both the instructor and student. More importantly, progress is stopped or reversed.

The older I get, the fewer things seem worth waiting in line for.

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02-07-2010 04:55 PM  8 years agoPost 31
FlytilyaDrop

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TTT

This hobby sucks, when your not flying.

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02-08-2010 04:07 PM  8 years agoPost 32
FlytilyaDrop

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ttt

HHMMMM

This hobby sucks, when your not flying.

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02-08-2010 04:43 PM  8 years agoPost 33
rotormonkey

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I think we're talking two different things here. Your initial query was to ask who should a newbie talk to at the field to help him get started. Now you're talking about advertising and generating revenue for the heli companies. They're two separate issues.

99% of heli advertising is aimed at the guys that are already into helis. They're the ones that are already known to part with large sums of cash to buy bigger, badder, better helicopters. That's why you don't see align ads on tv. The general public sees the pricetag and thinks "HELL NO!".

Stick banging smackdown 3d is impressive to watch. It showcases limits of what a heli is capable of doing. That sort of flying grabs attention and that's what advertisers want.

9 times out of 10 when a newbie shows up at the field looking for help he already has his own equipment that just needs setting up, so they're not going to make a lot of money there. When that same new sap sees the 3d hotshot throwing around a Trex 700 - then that's the heli he wants next.

That's my take anyway. In short, I agree with the GM.

If it can't hover, it ain't worth flying.

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02-08-2010 05:17 PM  8 years agoPost 34
FlytilyaDrop

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[quote]rotormonkey I think we're talking two different things here. Your initial query was to ask who should a newbie talk to at the field to help him get started. Now you're talking about advertising and generating revenue for the heli companies. They're two separate issues.
This is where I disagree IMO the reason is because to me if a company is to grow and gain in numbers to strengthen the hobby as a whole it starts with the very one person who first buys a kit and goes out to learn how to fly, without the ground support from the guys who take the real time to help the newbie more chances than likely they are going to get out of the hobby on his first crash.

Now if you focused on the newbies success in getting up and flying regardless of what heli he buys it for sure will be more than one heli over his hobby career.
As I own 7 of them and many more over the years.

The reason I started the thread was to show that this hobby growth has been based on what I just stated above AMA pushes the same issue.

I understand advertising using the stick bangers to do that but without the ground support of the guys who help at the local field then its just an awesome advertisement to watch instead of having it lead to long term sales.
They may get one sale to a newbie but then its over without the ground support.
Not everyone needs ground support, but you would think many more sales would be generated if the newbies would get this help on a reg bases at the local field like they do already.
I feel their advertisement money would be better spent at the local fields helping the ones who truly help the hobby the most.

Please chime in, for advertisements the stick bangers I already agree is good advertisements, but Im talking about the long term commitment by the newbie that leads to more sales down the road.
To me along with the stick bangers they should seek out the guys at the local fields and help them help the newbie which I feel is the roots their success.
As a business owner myself I focus on the same thing and its helped me the most stay in business especially threw these tough times.

Remember I was given a disagreement from the GM that the stick bangers where more important than the ground support at the local field.
And I disagree with that.

This hobby sucks, when your not flying.

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02-08-2010 05:33 PM  8 years agoPost 35
outhouse

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Ive done most everything myself, i read study and research here in the forums and get most answers i need.

Ive got great support if needed with the local guys i never end up flying with much because i work on fly day.

with all that said to answer your question, you get help from anyone you can and say thank you. Ill take it from pros or noobs and its my job to input the proper info that will help me. good info is where you find it and by labeling, pro, or int, or noob you might be passing on a different perpective.

Dont worry about the advertising, these forums are what really helps the companys grow and it is,,,, you! you are part of the structure that helps noobs by posting and offering help in these forums.

What you dont like all the free help offered here????

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02-08-2010 06:02 PM  8 years agoPost 36
rotormonkey

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biglahou, I don't disagree that helpful guys at the field aren't just as important to the manufacturers as the 3d hotshots. That being said, the heli companies can't invest in every helpful guy at the field.

Part of a sponsored pilot's job is to help out the new guys. So really they're both advertising and promoting the hobby in general.

I'm not sure I understand what you're driving at. Are you suggesting that manufacturers should sponsor intermediate pilots instead of 3d hotshots? If so that doesn't make sense to me from a business standpoint.

If it can't hover, it ain't worth flying.

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02-08-2010 06:06 PM  8 years agoPost 37
FlytilyaDrop

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I get more help for learning by a very good friend I met here on RR, so many different opinions here on RR it takes time to get threw all of it and so many times I spend more time trying out all the different opinions that I don't get a lot of fly time.

It was already stated that there is always that one guy you search out and he helps you progress giving of his time to help when I first started the thread their is almost 25 responses to this from members here on RR.
Start from the beginning of this thread and read what others have posted.
If the intermediate flyer in the 25 posts made by members where made many already see my point.

I'm sure all will agree here that noting can replace the person standing next to you at the field who knows his stuff and soon as something goes wrong he helps you fix it right away and the frustration is gone and you can fly and get stick time.

Sorry but still RR can only do so much and it cant come out with you to the field.

My local hobby store even said he does not want to get into nitro as he sees not enough ground support, so how many sales are lost just in my area alone because of this.
Tons of small electric heli fliers.

This hobby sucks, when your not flying.

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02-08-2010 06:48 PM  8 years agoPost 38
dhc8guru

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I went to a heli blaze once when I first started and everyone I talked to were nice but seemed bothered by my questions. I no longer ask fellow pilots who I don't know for help. I went ahead and got my help from the nice people on the forums and websites along with trial and error.

Now that I look back, I think there is an aire of "figure it out for yourself just like I did" attitude. Maybe its a right of passage?

I help people all the time with there heli's and they usually go off and do what they think is right, which is fine but now I just keep my answers to "this is what I do" and keep it brief so as not to waste too much of my time. Usually the ones who I really spend time helping are the ones who are at there wits end and really want the help.

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02-08-2010 07:11 PM  8 years agoPost 39
outhouse

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you dont need ground support lol [i know your not but] you kind of sound like someone new to the hobby who is not finished learning the ropes and are a little disscouraged that no one is holding your hand.

its your responcibility to learn the hobby if your going to be a part of it. It can be dangerous and knowledge is key for your safety.

people are helping you for free and you sound like you want more then what you ave recieved.

Its not all that complicated and i have not required or really needed anyone standing by my side to figure the heli out. I do study and research more then most. [take it upon myself to learn] as it should be

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02-08-2010 07:55 PM  8 years agoPost 40
Elgreco

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I am an intermediate pilot with a lot of things to still learn.

I enjoy helping people start in the hobby and I help at the field when possible.
But it comes a point that we need to fly and enjoy the hobby on the limited time we have also, than just helping people.
I will help people and show them the ropes but I expect them to do their part. That is research, read, work on their stuff without expecting me to do it for them.
Some people I have met don't understand a thing and they ask a million questions ans need constantly help for the simple fact that they do not sit down and look for some information. Forums, manuals, internet itself is our guide. I don't want to grab you by the hand.
They just want to get in the air and they don't understand that before that, they have to learn other stuff.

I am helping you in a hobby, not teaching you how to walk..

Anyway, you get my point..

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