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02-06-2010 06:19 AM  8 years agoPost 1
FlytilyaDrop

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Please lets keep this honest and all jokes set aside.

Remember when you first started out flying and you showed up to the field where a group of pilots are flying helis and you where looking at who out of the group of pilots that you felt would help you the most and get you up and going who would make you feel the most comfortable,,,

Question is would you flock to the one who could fly the heck out of the heli maybe a sponsored pilot, or the one that was kinda ok like intermediate, or the one that was like you just learning????

This does not include the good guy who would come up to you and offer help, """NOT saying that person who offers help is not the greatest thing""".
Im talking who YOU would want to help you the one you are saying to yourself when you show up "I hope that person helps me out" who would be that person from listed above.

And then tell us why, or any info you feel would be your best opinion.
Their is no right or wrong answer here its just your opinion.
Please chime in.

""""""""""""""""REASON WHY I ASKED THIS""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Now that the response has been 99 percent toward the intermediate flyer or the one that gives of his time freely that has been stated.
I was talking to a General Manager of a heli company on Friday and asked why is it that having stick bangers, the ones who only want stick time "no all" are used to promote the company in getting sales and NEWBIE'S into the hobby, "Team Pilots".
I told him I felt that more sales would happen IMO if they used pilots that as all of you who have posted here the intermediate pilot and he disagreed with me.
So in other words the ones that help the newbies, the ones that take the real time to help newbie's, the ones that do it because they love the hobby as much as they do are not the ones that make sales its the stick bangers.
Now to be a Team pilot you get a lot of kick backs from the company you promote, so yes that why they push the product they fly.
OK THATS ADVERTIZEMENT, and I'm ok with that but to promote the hobby and get more into the hobby for sales at the local field level to me sales are generated by the intermediate pilots help that they give or any one else that helps at the local field IMO and the G.M. disagreed with me.
Does any one feel the same that if at the local field a newbie is not taken care off in more chances than none he will walk away from the hobby, meaning less sales??

WHY???, as you would think heli companies do not put more attention to the local hobby fields focusing on the intermediate pilot where it all starts, OR am I missing something please chime in????

This hobby sucks, when your not flying.

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02-06-2010 06:30 AM  8 years agoPost 2
RAK402

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You would look for the one who was the most consistent and the most successful, not necessarily the hottest pilot, and definitely not a beginner.

Look for the person who has a well maintained machine, can fly well, reliably, and competently, who has very few or no mechanical problems, is well prepared, and brings his ship home, intact after a flying session.

Team KBDD/Compass Team Manger/Experience RC/Team JR Americas/WR Field Rep

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02-06-2010 06:32 AM  8 years agoPost 3
Aaron29

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Under normal circumstances, look for help from the intermediate guy.

The intermediate flyer has enough experience to help you, and the hobby is still new enough that he is excited to do so.

The new guy will typically tell you what setup you "must" have, when he just found out yesterday here on RR from another new guy. New guys are probably the worst to get help from. They are more fun to just enjoy the hobby with as they are very excited since things are all new. But their lack of experience makes their opinion a bit lacking in judgment. They'll tell you Brand/Technique/Engine A is the best because they heard it here on RR and tried it. They've never tried B, C, or D and yet they'll tell you how A is the best. Very poor advice. They haven't tried many different brands/techniques/setups yet will offer advice with confidence. This confidence is dangerous. It sounds like they know exactly what they are talking about when they may not.

The intermediate guy has set up more than one heli in probably more than one way. He might not have tried A,B,C, and D setup technique or model, but he's tried at least more than one. He's seen things go well. He's seen things go poorly. He has enough experience that his judgment is a bit more trustworthy than the new guy. He enjoys the fact that someone is looking up to him for advice. He feeds off of it by offering knowledge.

The best flyers usually have less patience for the nuances of learning. They've helped their share of people and are focusing on the flying part. They no longer get the satisfaction of helping a guy setup a gyro that they used to. That's how they get good; flying a lot and talking less. This is obviously a generality, but I find it to be true in the case of airplanes and helis. Their advice is typically the best, when given, but you might have to really struggle to get their attention. They also have tended to settle on this or that company/setup/gyro, and are somewhat ignorant to the newer offerings and techniques out there. They really don't care to hear about the new offerings/setups as they aren't searching for anything but stick time. They are basically opinionated by this point.

And a sponsored pilot? Wow don't go there expecting unbiased advice. If they are Company A and you have a question about Company B, what do you think his answer is going to be? He'll say "you should sell that and get a company A" when there are plenty of people using a company B item with great results. I love sponsored pilots, but understand that they are devoted to their sponsor and have them in mind when they answer questions. There are VERY few cases where Brand A,B,C,or D cannot be made to work at least somewhat.

Where the best flyers become useful to the newbie is when you have two different opinions from the intermediate guys and you need a second opinion.

This is obviously a very general answer. There are going to be newbies that give decent advice and some of the intermediate flyers may just not be into helping you. Some advanced flyers may be thrilled to help out. I'd take anything I could get from them. If an intermediate or advanced flyer comes TO YOU to help you, you can bet that is a good thing. Newbies may want to help, but take it with a grain of salt. We were all newbies once and wanted sincerely to help out but our opinions were malformed by inexperience.

Hope that helps. Go look for that guy who has one or two semi worn out helis and is doing some simple aerobatics. Enjoy the hobby with your beginner friend, but get second opinions on all his advice. As for the guy doing piroflips 5 feet off the deck, if he smiles and helps you, go for it. But I wouldn't expect him to always be in the mood to spend an hour helping you with setup.

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02-06-2010 06:53 AM  8 years agoPost 4
Aaron29

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By the way, opinions are always honest.

Question is, are they right?

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02-06-2010 08:26 AM  8 years agoPost 5
ch-47c

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Well, I think Aaron29 pretty much summed it up.

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02-06-2010 08:31 AM  8 years agoPost 6
Aaron29

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LOL in more than a few words.

Hope you like to read.

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02-06-2010 08:56 AM  8 years agoPost 7
ch-47c

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Yes I actually read a post in its entirety before I respond. Most posters on RR blow a cork and start typing without finish reading the post and many times their questions are answered by the posts they attack.

Well done Aaron29. Good advice.

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02-06-2010 10:29 AM  8 years agoPost 8
FlytilyaDrop

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Thanks aaron, very good read indeed.
But from so many views and only 3 opinions so far?
Wow, hope there is more out there that have more feed back on this.
Not being rude to aaron but someone or others might have a diffrent take on the matter.
Please all chime in.

This hobby sucks, when your not flying.

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02-06-2010 10:48 AM  8 years agoPost 9
57NOMAD

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I would go to the most knowledgeable one in the field. If a Newby shows up with their heli ready for some help, It's probably not their first time in the field and if he did some observation that person is not hard to spot. He's usually the person that people ask for help if they have a problem. This is the person I would want to approach and learn from.

A good flier doesn't always equate to a good builder, you'll notice that a good percentage of the hot shot fliers don't have the cleanest, best looking and well maintained machines in the field. They can fly their helis even if it's out of trim, engine not in tune or what not and still make it look really good in the air. The breed of pilots I mentioned above usually are not the best pilot but their machines are the best flying and smoothest in the field. Just my opinion.


If you're not crashing your not pushing hard enough!
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02-06-2010 11:15 AM  8 years agoPost 10
nivlek

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Look for one flying his five year old heli , who starts the engine with no drama , flys it a few times , never looks like stuffing it in and takes it home in one piece .

At the end of the day , it gets dark .

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02-06-2010 11:39 AM  8 years agoPost 11
Aaron29

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A good flier doesn't always equate to a good builder
Quite true.

The sim seems to be the great equalizer in flying skill, enabling people with nonoptimal setups to still learn advanced maneuvers.

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02-06-2010 11:43 AM  8 years agoPost 12
ch-47c

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It depends on what you are looking for. If you are looking to get help with your setup, ask around. You have to start somewhere. Even if the guy that helps at first turns out to be the village idiot, you figure who is who in no time. Asking if anyone has a "such and such heli" or "I think I have a problem with this, could you help?" can break the ice and go from there. Usually a person who is willing to help will help with or without asking. You want to find someone who knows what info you need and whom you can get along with in a conversation. Some guys know what you are looking for, but can't convey that info due to several reasons.

Personality is a major obstacle to being a good choice of a person to ask. Lack of confidence in their own ability or afraid to give info that may be misunderstood on his part. Cockiness, jerk, narcissisic, problems in their personal life, etc...are signs of a bad choice. A calm and easy-going personality makes a person approachable and learning from a good experience. You also have to remember if you ask a question and he says "I don't know" accept that. It is better than a line of BS incorrect info.

If it is a maneuver in particular you are looking for help, walk up to the guy who can do it and ask for an explanation of what he does to do it. Most guys will tell you. A very few won't. They prefer to keep what they know to themselves so they are above or beyond you to feel better about their flying for whatever reason. I will say I've talked to several top flyers from a national standing and they all will pass info to you. It's a hobby that you probably do to get away from the workaday guys that you want to get away from, so find the guy you feel comfortable talking with on a subject. If he doesn't know what you are looking for, he may know who to ask there at the field.

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02-06-2010 11:54 AM  8 years agoPost 13
Aaron29

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Lack of confidence in their own ability or afraid to give info that may be misunderstood on his part.
I'd rather this than the other way around. If I ask a guy to help me tune my engine and he says he can't, isn't that better than having him help me burn up my new engine?

I honestly have never seen anyone with lack of confidence on RR. They are more than willing to blurt out advice, good or not.

You only see the lack of confidence IRL.

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02-06-2010 12:28 PM  8 years agoPost 14
57NOMAD

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You only see the lack of confidence IRL.
Because keyboards are great confidence builder and grants courage.


If you're not crashing your not pushing hard enough!
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02-06-2010 12:37 PM  8 years agoPost 15
ch-47c

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I'd rather this than the other way around. If I ask a guy to help me tune my engine and he says he can't, isn't that better than having him help me burn up my new engine?
Yes, that is what I mean. Different personality traits lead to obstacles for a good choice. One is lack of confidence in their own ability to do it or explain it correctly, though he does know it. The other is he isn't sure himself on the topic or depth of knowledge on the topic. In other words, the first knows the topic, but afraid he'll explain it wrong. The second one isn't sure he knows the topic well enough to explain, but is confident enough to muddle through it.
Both bad.

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02-06-2010 12:45 PM  8 years agoPost 16
ch-47c

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You only see the lack of confidence IRL.
Yes in real life one has to prove oneself and like Aaron said, on RR you hear anything and with all confidence in the world as someone bangs away misinformation.

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02-06-2010 01:10 PM  8 years agoPost 17
helidevil

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well since theres only one other heli guy in my club i go to him. he used to have a rappy but now owns a trex 600n so i go to him with any problems or issues. and he answers them in a serious way. he actualy gave me his big box of parts that has pretty much a crashed raptor in it! i got easyly $75 worth of parts from him!

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02-06-2010 02:30 PM  8 years agoPost 18
Quicktoy

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I went right for the hottest 3D pilot and here's why. I learned on a hirobo shuttle with older electrical equipment and he was like get the best servos, the best of everything and he set it up for the way he flew and I tell you what, you have such better control of the machine with the best stuff that my learning curve blew past the guys who had already been flying a few months and wouldnt spend the money on good equipment. They were trying to tell me wood or glass blades were fine, mediocre servos were fine....ALL WRONG. I went back to fly my shuttle a few months later and couldn't even fly it because it was sooo slow. Your constantly chasing the machine instead of being right on top of it

Srimok, Goblin 770, Avant Aurora, Trex 700 Suzi Hans, 700 LE, 700 FBL, Trex 450 Dominator X2, HC500, and a crap ton of parts with no time to fly! :)

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02-06-2010 02:58 PM  8 years agoPost 19
Dr.Ben

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A person's models tell a story, and along with their flying, you'll have a good idea of who you're dealing with.

The model: Does it look like they built it with their feet? Wiring a mess, blades all dinged up and ratty, covered in oil that's obviously several flying sessions old (you can tell this). Don't judge the canopy because some guys routinely fly with a beater one at home to save the pretty one for events.

Listen to the engine. Does it run like a watch? Fuel sitting still in the fuel tank or foaming like a washing machine? All extremities of the model still and smooth, or is the model shaking?

Next, the pilot: I don't care whether you're flying 3D or FAI, you can still be smooth and in control. Listen to engine. Is it always bogging and sagging or is good collective management being exercised? Then there's blade noise. Anyone can make blades snap, and that's fine. But then there's that "other" sound when blades are being stalled and links are in risk of being popped off

Clearly there is no perfect pilot out there, but you'll at least want to find someone that has a reasonable number of attributes as both a builder and a pilot. Extremes of either case are no good.

Ben Minor

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02-06-2010 02:59 PM  8 years agoPost 20
rotormonkey

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If there are instructors in the club who fly rotary wing, go to them. They're the guys that are going to be genuinely interested in helping out. It's not like they're getting paid to be an instructor. They're doing it because they ENJOY helping new guys. Generally the club won't let them BE an instructor if they haven't been into it for a while either.

If you club has no heli instructors, then I'd say ask another newbie who's the best guy to help out and start with him. You're looking for the guy that asks you as many questions as you ask him. The guy that probes you for how much knowledge you already have, and does his best to fill in the blanks. The guy that'll TEACH you how to set up your radio rather than set it up for you.

Maybe that guy is a 3d hotshot, maybe he just likes to hover and fly figure 8s. You can't tell how good somebody will be at helping you by the way they fly. That is unless they take their heli home in a bag every day.

If it can't hover, it ain't worth flying.

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