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02-04-2010 05:22 AM  8 years agoPost 1
bricktop

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i've been flying for two years now and am just now learning to fly inverted backwards and forward with some tail-down funnels and figure-8s (inverted). is there something i'm not getting about progressing faster?. i'm on the sim alot and just can't seem to get the whole orientation in all positions. is there something i'm missing here? i see and read of some people catching on so fast that it makes me want to puke. is there some advice anyone has to offer or some trick to getting my timing down faster to help me progres faster? PLEASE HELP!!!!!

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02-04-2010 05:45 AM  8 years agoPost 2
coolingfan

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Patience grasshopper. Whats the hurry, are you dying soon? Everyone progresses at their own pace. Just relax and try to have fun. I have been at this for about 3 yrs. I am in no hurry, I am just enjoying the hobby. I just got into forward flight about 6 months ago. Nothing fancy. Just some stall turns and some fff. Not into the 3d. thing. It is pretty amazing though watching those young guys flip those heli's around like that. It must take some serious concentration and way more patience then I have. Practice, practice, makes perfection. Anyways that's what they say. Enjoy the hobby. It sounds like your right on track!

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02-04-2010 05:56 AM  8 years agoPost 3
trunkmunki

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I think the key is to pretend they don't cost anything and don't take any time or effort to set-up. Then again, that only works until the first crash...

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02-04-2010 06:05 AM  8 years agoPost 4
bricktop

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yeah,
that's easier said then done. i wish it were true

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02-04-2010 06:08 AM  8 years agoPost 5
Ray Fernandez

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I'm an old fart (hey.....isn't there someone here named that? ) and can tell you that you should enjoy you transitions. Don't be in a rush. The skills will come to you, sometimes sooner than later........and alot later for others

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02-04-2010 06:53 AM  8 years agoPost 6
Andy.Kim

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I think what helped me progress quickly is to use visualization to improve muscle memory and letting go of the fear of crashing.

What it boils down to is you enjoying the hobby. I am better than some pilots and some are better than me. What matters most is that I have fun

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02-04-2010 06:54 AM  8 years agoPost 7
djrformcar

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I'm with coolingfan, just go at your own pace, you'll find some breakthroughs and some challenges. Go with the flow!

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02-04-2010 07:04 AM  8 years agoPost 8
Spitfire1

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Im basicly at exactly the same stage after a couple of years, just starting backward inverted.

I think the number one reason for fast progress is haveing the finances to be able to have the best equipment money can buy, and also to able to crash and always have a backup heli thats as expensive as the one you now have to rebuild.

If you know that crashing your heli means you wont be flying for a few weeks, its much harder to take risks on new things.

EDIT:

Also Im finding now, as maybe you are also beggining to find out that theres alot of missing peices to the jigsaw if you know what I mean.

What I mean, is Im haveing to go back to alot of basic things that I never really learned.

EDIT I was babbleing on again.

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02-04-2010 10:07 AM  8 years agoPost 9
rchelinz

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I would say that you are moving very fast.
I've been flying for about 5 years+ and only recently starting inverted flight and getting into some more aggressive moves. But then I only fly on Saturdays if the weather is fine, and I've only crashed twice. The people who learn fast usually spend hours and hours on a Sim and fly several times a week. My biggest achievement so far was learning how to fly again last year as I changed from mode 1 to mode 2. Took about 4 months.

Just me your doing great.

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02-04-2010 11:19 AM  8 years agoPost 10
XxCaTMaNxX

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bricktop
2 years?!?
inverted backwards and forward?!?
tail-down funnels and figure-8s (inverted)?!?
you make me want to puke...

I told the doctor I broke my leg in two places. He told me to quit going to those places...

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02-04-2010 12:01 PM  8 years agoPost 11
Yogi 1

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Fuel,Practice,more Fuel,Practice,and a good supply of money 3D was not invented for the budget mined when I was younger the persuit of recognition was important not so much now.Hang in there nothing difficult is ever attained to quickly and try to fly fly with other people at the level you are trying to attain they can be your best resource.Yogi

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02-04-2010 12:06 PM  8 years agoPost 12
hanzuki

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I've been flying for 14 months. I can do all your basic flight inverted and right side up. I'm a little rough going in one direction as opposed the other, but who isn't? And I can do funnels and tictocs and elevator slappers and I'm just getting my chaos to stay in one spot.

I've only had three minor rough landings (ie broken skids, and only one set of broken blades due to a nearly missed inverted auto :P) with my 600 in over 400 flights about 25 good crashes on my 450. I spend tonnes of time on the sim and I give myself some good height when trying new moves.

I'm not trying to brag, but saying that you dont have to have money out your ears and a tall ego to learn to fly quickly. If I had a good crash on my 600 it would be down for a few weeks while I gathered up parts. Take your time, have fun and learn at your own pace, thats all that matters. I fly with guys who have been at it for years and can't even get inverted!

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02-04-2010 01:08 PM  8 years agoPost 13
DougsRC

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i've been flying for two years now
I don't think the number of years matters as much as actual hours flying does. And also the older you are factors in as well, young whippersnappers learn faster than middle-aged folk in most cases. It's more Fun to make the journey last IMO, if it was easy, everyone would do it

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02-04-2010 01:28 PM  8 years agoPost 14
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question about fast progress in flight
Another one of those people.......what ever happened to patience and practice?

"I'm a dirt torpedo!"

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02-04-2010 01:47 PM  8 years agoPost 15
rotormonkey

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I've been at it a couple years now, and can do just about anything I can think of with a little altitude. For me the trick was loads of time in the sim, and having a 450.

I can't stress the second point enough. That little 450 is a great beater heli. I really couldn't care less if I crash it, and that makes me a lot more comfortable doing things I wouldn't try on my bigger helis.

Once I've gotten comfortable doing something in the sim, I try on the 450. Once I have it down on the 450, I'll do it on my bigger helis.

If it's learning stuff in the sim you're having trouble with, the approach I take is to just hammer at it. I try, I crash, I try again and I'll keep trying over and over until I feel I've made some semblance of progress. Then I'll call it a night, and keep building on that little bit of progress every night until I can do it 10 out of 10 times in the sim without crashing. It may not look pretty, but if I can get it so I don't crash in the sim, I try on the 450 and build from there.

That being said, this sort of approach I'm sure has cost me a little. I can do low inverted hurricanes, but I can't comfortably hover low inverted side in. I'm guilty of skipping a few steps along the way so this summer I plan to rectify that by going back to basics a little.

If it can't hover, it ain't worth flying.

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02-04-2010 01:54 PM  8 years agoPost 16
snjbird

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I've been at it full throttle since 6.07 and I am just starting to get comfortable with the inverted ort... I made leaps and bounds forward once I got a 450 Pro, it replaced my old 450SEV1 and now the V1 is my learn new stuff trainer... So as someone mentioned earlier, having a heli you covet less... helps a lot! That, and lots of stick time!

Watch at YouTube

Checked the flight timers on my X9303 the other day, I have around 450 hours of flight time? In full scale, that means exactly diddly squat.

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02-04-2010 02:03 PM  8 years agoPost 17
Joe90

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I once asked a pro

The answer: Practice, practice, practice...
even if you dont get it continue to try, your mind will catch for you.

That said, not everybody learn at the same rate. I know it is frustrating to see a guy beeing XFC champion after 3 years...
It tell too that this is a young discipline. You cannot be a world champion in figure skating or top hockey player after 3 years...

So the thing is to find a groove where you enjoy yourself because this is what is all about.

Michel

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02-04-2010 02:05 PM  8 years agoPost 18
DougsRC

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snjbird, Great video !! You really looked like you were in full control of that Rex in a small area with obstacles !! +1 on having a "beater bird" thats cheap and easy to crash n' fix !!

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02-04-2010 02:33 PM  8 years agoPost 19
t2o

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I played guitar for 10 years and showed my nephew a few cords; six months later he is the lead player in a good band. He exceeded what I could do in 10 years playing only 6 months.

Some brains come pre-wired for certain tasks and others must be re-wired for that same task.

I have found that strict practice like nose in aileron tick-tocs for a week, nothing but nose in aileron tic-tocs until I can drive the Heli around the field doing nose in aileron tic-tocs (You get the point) helps out allot. Just flying around the sim, does me, little or no good at all.

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02-04-2010 03:20 PM  8 years agoPost 20
Sillyness

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I violently disagree that money or willingness to crash is what makes people better. I know people like that and if anything they do worse. Every time you crash you have:

1) Down time for repairs
Even if you have a back-up, you have to fix it some time, and that's time you can't fly
2) Frustration encountered with repairs
3) Fiscal anxiety... leads to apprehension
4) Possibly family stress if you are always working on crap

I feel the BEST way is to take it slow and master recovering from unusual attitudes... this'll pay huge dividends preventing crashes. Don't move on to something new until you are absolutely of the master of the last thing you did. You've got to have a comfortable place to go back to when you get turned around.

Maybe if you have no life and no family then crashing can be your learning tool, but I can't afford the time to go being an idiot with my machines.

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