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02-02-2010 06:42 PM  8 years agoPost 1
bdacus

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Reno, NV

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Ok, here is the situation:

i was REALLY HEAVY into r/c planes & helis in the 90's and was even president of our local club, etc.

although i have stayed active in planes on a smaller scale with advent of electrics my X-Cell 60 has been sitting for many years. i did fly it a little about 4 years ago. for about a year now i have been flying the micro size Novus heli several times a week. this has sparked my interest to get my X-Cell running again.

anyhow, since then i used the transmitter battery for a couple other JR388 radios my son & I use. this is my problem - i lost all my programs in my heli radio, which is a JR PCM10. not being "up" anymore on the X-Cell 60 setup i need some guidance. i did find were i had written down the pitch/throttle curve on paper.

i have found online manuals for my Futaba GV-1 governor, JR 3000 Gyro, and the PCM10.

i can't seem to find any good links for general X-Cell 60 setups.

can anyone point me in the right direction? THANKS!

i need things like min/max pitch for tail,cyclic,collective, etc. suggested mixing? i still have all my special tools, pitch gage, etc. it will probably start to come back to me in time, it has just been awhile. my heli flying mentor has since passed and don't have any local active friends doing it anymore.

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02-02-2010 10:11 PM  8 years agoPost 2
ddavison

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Have to run to work ,here a some basic settings
-10deg, 0deg at center, hover 4-5deg, +10deg in idle 1
-4deg, 0deg at center,hover 4-5deg, +10deg in normal
same same same +12 deg hold
6deg elev/aile pitch
1750/1800 on head
good luck, Dave

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02-03-2010 03:37 AM  8 years agoPost 3
Thomas L Erb

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did you hover at center stick or did you have it setup 3d style. Daves setup is a 3d style setup and looks great. If you want to fly FAI style and hover at 1\2 stick then this is what you may want to do. Pitch range set to max mechanical without binding with +2 deg center stick. adjust center 3 points ( 3,4,5 ) until pt 4 is +4 to +4 1\2 deg and shooth curve out using 3&5. cyclic 5-6 deg is fine but depends alot on paddles and weight on flybar. IMPORTANT no matter which way you set it up when done check flybar control arms for interference with bottom of blade grip when you are at extreme top and bottom pitch and cyclic stick in corner. Rotate head and watch to see that they dont hit each other. The other thing to think about is if your gyro is not a heading hold you may want to upgrade this. as far as tail goes the gyro instructions will tell you where the setting for the servo arm is . the rear bellcrank should be parallel to the tail box when servo is centered Hope this helps Tom

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02-03-2010 05:49 AM  8 years agoPost 4
bdacus

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Reno, NV

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ok, thanks for the help guys.

i was flying some basic 3D stuff. usually warmed up in N, then played in 1 & 2 so i'm comfortable with either.

got my servo travels, sub trims, pitch curve for N,1,2 setup as recommended. i had written down my pitch curve from before with a max of 8 degrees, so went with that. the motor is an OS.61 w/pipe.

with running the GV-1 govenor, do i need to setup Revo-Mixing, Rudder/Throttle Mixing, and a Throttle Curve? i had added the GV-1 after setting my heli up with all the mixing. but from scratch do you need to do all that with a govenor?

shows how long it has been. for me govenors only came out after flying for about 5 years. setting up all the mixing was quite tricky and time consuming.

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02-03-2010 05:53 AM  8 years agoPost 5
bdacus

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OH, and, my fly-bar arms are already "drooped" for clearance. and my swashplate has been "dremeled" for clearance as well. all that stuff looks pretty good.

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02-03-2010 09:31 AM  8 years agoPost 6
ddavison

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The OS61 with that nitro pipe is a good combo several of us ran that combo for years. Yes set up a basic throttle curve first that way if the govenor should fail(the plastic sensor case is known to crack)you will fall back to the throttle curve. The OS61 should handle +/-10deg easy. (660mm blades). No real need for revo/mixing or rudder/throttle mixing with the govenor. I usually set max pitch for hold at 12deg or what ever I can get. If you want a quicker cyclic go to the White MA paddles. I usually set both idle 1 and 2 the same then use idle 2 to try different settings. I tach the machine in a hover and set the throttle curve in normal about 50/75 rpm lower than the govenor. Pick up into a hover in normal,then flip the govenor on. I have the normal govenor set at 100rpm less, than idle up rpm setting.
Example normal gov off=1650, normal gov on=1700, idle up gov off=1750, idle gov on=1800.
I went through all the JR gyros 3000,5000,7000 and the 3000 and 5000 would drift, the 7000 locked good but setup was hard and price was high. Look at getting a newer HH gyro like, jr770, Spartan, Curtis Solid G and you my want to swap out the plastis t/R blades for some C/F ones. Dave

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02-03-2010 02:46 PM  8 years agoPost 7
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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Welcome back to the hobby!!

You might consider buying a Spektrum 2.4GHz module for the back of your TX. It is nice never having to worry about being shot down. 2.4GHz is one of the best changes to this hobby in recent years.

Also, now days everyone is running either NiMH batteries or LiPO batteries in both their TX and RX. You are certainly going to want to buy new batteries for your TX and RX as it would be unsafe to use really old NiCD batteries.

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02-04-2010 01:09 AM  8 years agoPost 8
bdacus

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Reno, NV

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ddavison,

thanks for the info. think i'll go ahead and setup with +/-10, but set the initial curve to 8. i'd hate to stall out the motor until i get comfortable again. easier to dial in a little at a time until i find the limit of the motor.

if i remember right, somewhere around 1/2 throttle at hover?

i'll get it running than consider a new gyro. the new HH ones do look pretty nice and not too expensive either for their advanced funtionality.

i gotta read up on the governor! damn manual is like 50 pages!

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Justin Stuart,

i've already converted my 2 JR388 radios to 2.4Ghz and fly all my planes & cars on it. like you said, awesome improvement from years past - no more glitches (lost 2 planes in a month about a year ago - that was enough for me). i already have a couple extra 6 & 8 channel receivers. not sure if the modules will work in the PCM10 radio - will see though.

already have plenty of Lipo batteries and several charges. i have an 8ft Telemaster that is all electric on a 5C battery. so much fun teaching others. get 45 minute flight times, and several other "foamies" as well.
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Thanks again guys - you're really helping me kick-start my brain again.

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02-04-2010 04:32 AM  8 years agoPost 9
Thomas L Erb

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if i remember right, somewhere around 1/2 throttle at hover?
This all depends on your pitch curve. If 0 at 1\2 stick you will probably be lower(40%ish) at mid stick and about 5\8 throttle at hover pitches
Tom

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02-07-2010 04:26 AM  8 years agoPost 10
bdacus

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Reno, NV

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IT FLIES! OR IS IT, I'M FLYING?

anyhow, thanks all. got it in the air today. it was snowing/raining all day, so had to just hover it in the shop, and then a little out in the snow/rain.

need some fine tunning, but got the governor dialed in and trimmed out to a hover.

i can fly at home, so the weather looks better this next week for some more tunning.

another question:
is everyone using 2S Lipo's for receivers? the voltage seems a little high, but is that ok? was gonna order some stuff.

THANKS EVERYONE!

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02-07-2010 04:32 AM  8 years agoPost 11
turboomni

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East of the Equator

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I think the most important point is:

WELCOME BACK MAN!!!

Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them

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04-02-2010 05:31 AM  8 years agoPost 12
okie_flyer

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Guthrie, Oklahoma

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2s lipo
yes we are running 2s lipos but with a regulater...if you get the align setup it also eliminates your glow plug ignitor.

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04-02-2010 04:17 PM  8 years agoPost 13
helibeast

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Here is a site that is very useful for the excell birds.
http://www.rchelibase.com/xcell/

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04-09-2010 03:22 PM  8 years agoPost 14
Clarence Creer

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Fort Worth, Texas

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Once again you have just shown that quality is quality no matter how many years pass.

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04-09-2010 03:28 PM  8 years agoPost 15
Clarence Creer

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Can you shoot us some video of the old champ flying?

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04-09-2010 06:12 PM  8 years agoPost 16
bdacus

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Reno, NV

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a little update is in order i guess.

the "bird" has been down for awhile. in an effort to make sure i had a good battery pack after all these years i put a new pack in, but figured upgrade it to a 5cell from the previous 4cell. that has been the "norm" for the past few years and have done that with all my stuff.

WELL, i didn't know that the JR Super Servos i was using for the tail & collective were rated for 4.8V ONLY! amazingly i didn't crash the "bird" because after flying a full tank of fuel i stopped and noticed SMOKE coming from under the canopy and that infamous burning electrical smell. the servo cases had actually melted in 2 places. THE COLLECTIVE & TAIL SERVOS ARE FRIED - LITERALLY!

So, since all my hardware is JR, i need to track down 2 new JR servos, 1 for collective, and 1 for the Tail. ANY RECOMMENDATIONS?

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01-15-2013 04:51 PM  5 years agoPost 17
XJRSP

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PARIS

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Swash type
Hello from FRANCE,
I have an old X-cell 60 converted to electric by myself. My radio is a FUTABA FX40 and I wold like to know wich swash type I have to set on my radio?
Thank's for your help and happy new year.

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01-16-2013 01:28 PM  5 years agoPost 18
kcordell

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AS long as you are using the standard 4 point swaswhplate, the swash type in the radio should be H-1.

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01-16-2013 04:49 PM  5 years agoPost 19
BeltFedBrowning

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