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02-01-2010 10:29 PM  8 years agoPost 1
Metalizer

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Canton, Ohio

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I know theres a seperate section for FBL but many probably dont check that section out much. Resone i ask is im thinking of trying a fbl out but not sure i will like it.
I never liked a heli that i had to hold the nose down for forward flight. Do you have to do this to keep it from going into hover?
Or even just sliding across side ways, do you have to hold the sticks in the slide?
I under stand that you will gain preformance by elimanating the drag from the flybar and components but is it worth it?
Or is this more for stick banging?

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02-01-2010 10:34 PM  8 years agoPost 2
rotormonkey

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Ottawa, ON - Canada

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No you don't have to hold the sticks. It's not like a co-pilot or helicommand. It's basically just an electronic replacement for the flybar. It will however correct for wind better since it's not mechanical, and increase power, etc. It won't fly for you in any way.

Whether it's worth it or not depends entirely on you. Try it. If you don't like it, sell it.

Personally I like FBL.

If it can't hover, it ain't worth flying.

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02-01-2010 10:39 PM  8 years agoPost 3
Elgreco

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Check that section. A LOT of info on that.

Trex 550 V-BAR, Trex 700 V-BAR, N5-os55VBAR, TREX700E V-BAR /X9503

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02-01-2010 10:49 PM  8 years agoPost 4
Jeff polisena

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It does have a different feel but like all new toys once you tweak it you will be addicted

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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02-01-2010 11:02 PM  8 years agoPost 5
heli-cuzz

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Pittston, Pa. USA

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FBL love
Even before flying a FBL heli... What's not to like? less parts, no paddles/flybar, and looks better.
After flying a FBL heli... The huge tells all.

I converted to FBL with a 50 sized nitro heli without any stabilization unit. 8 months later, I'll never go back to a flybar.

I'm guessing the majority of those who have flown FBL will favor FBL with a couple/few who don't like it.

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02-02-2010 02:45 AM  8 years agoPost 6
Blades345

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Don't even think about it anymore, just get it. Its amazing in how it flies. In FFF I can let go of the transmitter and it stays straight, no pitching up or down. It just feels better in the air and you will love it. I don't think there is many people out there that don't like it. The heli has more power, and tracks great. Try it and you'll like it.

When u don't feel like soaring through the air with a plane, beat it into submission w/ a heli!

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02-02-2010 03:55 AM  8 years agoPost 7
freakyreef

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Kansas\Colorado border

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In the future, this discussion will be similar to the old gyro discussions.. "A gyro is just cheating" "Real pilots don't need a gyro".
Technology is marching down a path. Some people will stop alongside that path for a while and then move along, some will stay there. If you don't start moving again you will be left behind.
Imagine if current technology was never developed, where would our helis be now? Perhaps the gyro analogy isn't a great comparison in terms of performance, but in terms of tech. advancements it is.

That being said, I have never flown a FBL and don't foresee one in the near future. I guess I am alongside that path right now waiting to move along.

Walk on water long enough, eventually you will get your feet wet.

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02-02-2010 05:29 AM  8 years agoPost 8
jsenicka

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Eagle River, WI

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FBL T700 feels like the most perfectly setup T700 I could build.
I remember building a flawless R90SE a couple years back. Great tracking, super agile, etc. It was great for 20 or 30 flights till I tweaked paddles out of alignment or something. Then got a bit pitchy, etc. The FBL is like a perfectly set up flybar ship that never changes flight to flight.

Jim Senicka
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02-02-2010 06:51 AM  8 years agoPost 9
OICU812

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Edson, Alberta, Canada

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I think opinions will differ, and regardless of what brand you use it is important to understand some peoples comments will come from perhaps IMO incorrectly setup machines. It is important that it is setup or the opinion certainly will not be a good one. A proper setup machine will fly very true and will be a pleasureable experience, personally I love flybarless for many reasons and do not see myself going back to flybars again, now with a dozen systems on the market by June of this year it seems to be the consensus it is not only progressing but here to stay and furthermore to evolve widespread.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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02-02-2010 08:35 AM  8 years agoPost 10
Jeff polisena

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westpalmbeachflorida usa

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I do have to say that crashes are less . I dont bend grips (take button off) hard landings I only break shids ,no fly bar to bend or paddles hitting boom plus easy repair and less resetup time .I have all my helis FBL and I feel that the savings in parts will pay for VBar units in the long run .

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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02-02-2010 11:45 AM  8 years agoPost 11
Richardmid1

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Leeds, England

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I dont like the slightly unconnected feel and slight lag you get with the FBL systems, great for FFF and big manuevers or scale flight but not for fast hard 3D, it just gets scary. Wheres the fun in not having to correct a heli in flight, might as well fly a high wing trainer!

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02-02-2010 12:33 PM  8 years agoPost 12
Jeff polisena

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YouR setup is incorrect if you have disconected feel . FBL is effective for both scale and hard 3d and yes you can have it twitchy or lathargec . When I first got FBL I did feel the same (disconected) but after getting it setup correct it feels better than a flybar

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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02-02-2010 01:37 PM  8 years agoPost 13
Steve Boone

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Walkerton, IN USA

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I want to try it but not until the cost comes down. Hopefully, like most things, competition in the market will do that as well as bring new inovations. My only concern is how well they will handle the inevitable crashs. I would hate to stuff my heli in and have to replace it. You can buy a lot of flybars for the cost of a FBL unit.

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02-02-2010 01:42 PM  8 years agoPost 14
rotormonkey

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Ottawa, ON - Canada

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They handle crashes just about as well as your gyro does. As long as it doesn't take a direct whack, they seem to hold up fine. I've stuck my skookum in a relatively safe spot where I'd have to REALLY drive it in for it to take a whack. It's weathered a couple crashes now, and come out just fine.

If it can't hover, it ain't worth flying.

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02-02-2010 04:28 PM  8 years agoPost 15
Blades345

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I dont like the slightly unconnected feel and slight lag you get with the FBL systems, great for FFF and big manuevers or scale flight but not for fast hard 3D, it just gets scary. Wheres the fun in not having to correct a heli in flight, might as well fly a high wing trainer!
Gotta agree, yours is setup wrong or something is wrong if you feel disconnected. FBL feels anything but disconnected. I never heard anyone talk about a slight lag, because its anything but that. You might want to check over your system again.

When u don't feel like soaring through the air with a plane, beat it into submission w/ a heli!

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02-02-2010 05:22 PM  8 years agoPost 16
Jeff polisena

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As long as you wrap in foam and leave some slack in wires you will be ok but yes you get that occasional lawn dart and loose more than FBL unit .

I stick with Mikado for this reason they repair or replace , they are the best as far as customer service as well as Readyheli.

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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02-02-2010 06:05 PM  8 years agoPost 17
JohnThompson

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Chesapeake, VA

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Flybarless can provide a different feel than traditional flybared birds. Even on a properly setup system it can take several flights to get used to the feel. You have to un-learn the habits of correcting for the natural tendencies of the flybar. You still have to fly either way. I have switched my Trex600 and Aeolus to flybarless but I am hanging on to the original heads just in case I want to go back and compare.

My favorite feature of Flybarless is the added power. Flybarless birds feel about 10% more powerful. I am running the Axiom and FS600.

John
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02-02-2010 09:43 PM  8 years agoPost 18
Leon Brodie

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Brighton, Colorado - USA

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I switched a couple of heli's to Vbar a few months ago and I liked it. Then I had a few problems and needed something to fly. So I pulled together a flybared set up. OUCH... Going FBL seems like a power change and you fuss getting the cyclic feel that you want. Then it's game on and you don't remember. Going back after enough time and flights to get past the thought and to the expectation has given me a HUGE appreciation for what the head gyros are doing for me. I don't see anybody arguing for flying without a tail gyro. More integration and another price drop or two and we will call it progression.
To get on topic, the beauty of VBar is if you don't like how the heli flies, you don't need anything more than a lap top and an idea of what it is that you don't like. More cyclic? Click, drag, test fly. Less collective? Sensation? Stick feel? Play with the gain just to see, it's pretty cool. Feel disconnected? Check that expo. What does happen is that you suddenly find that one big variable that used to make brands different (the head) doesn't matter any more.

But Hey... It's just me. The heli I like best is the one that's ready to fly. If it will hold together long enough to land is a bonus

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02-02-2010 09:59 PM  8 years agoPost 19
jones007

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Monterey, CA - USA

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Flybarless can provide a different feel than traditional flybared birds. Even on a properly setup system it can take several flights to get used to the feel. You have to un-learn the habits of correcting for the natural tendencies of the flybar. You still have to fly either way. I have switched my Trex600 and Aeolus to flybarless but I am hanging on to the original heads just in case I want to go back and compare.

My favorite feature of Flybarless is the added power. Flybarless birds feel about 10% more powerful. I am running the Axiom and FS600.
Everyone claims huge power savings, but I haven't seen anyone measure it yet. It would be great to get someone (hint,hint) to throw a datalogger onboard, preferably with a governor so that headspeed is the same with both heads, and log similar flights with and without flybar. Intuitively there should be less drag without the flybar, but there should also be a slight increase in drag due to the gyro control inputs. Data logs would help quantify the power savings.

--Kevin

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02-02-2010 11:23 PM  8 years agoPost 20
JohnThompson

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Chesapeake, VA

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Do you have an extra datalogger? I don't have one.

It just feels stronger....to me.

John
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