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02-01-2010 05:35 PM  8 years agoPost 1
tarzan_eb

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I have been a little annoyed at TT engineers lately, and wish to vent it a little.
First off the titan, I said it before, I was somewhat disappointed when it arrived on the scene. A few upgrades specifically longer boom, push/pull collective/cyclic does not constitute a release of a new heli. Waste of time and engineering, POS didn't even come with metal head, Ultimate 3D machine what a joke!
Secondly The release of the titan SE same deal, the few upgrades they made could have just been offered for the current 50 se, specifically, FRP canopy, see saw and Mixing arms upgrade,starter shaft bearing block upgrade, Grip flipping isn't an upgrade since we were already doing it, nether was the mixing upgrade really . Thanks to the northern lights mod.

Thirdly the X50 is the carbon framed 50 we've been waiting patiently for, they just left off the best feature of engineering technology since Carbon fiber blades. They changed the raptor line, for the worst IMO. By following technology instead of continuing to lead the way with the MCCPM, the new improved mixing, reinforced drive-train and longer boom which enables it to swing a little longer blades.
Now, there is rumor of TT coming out with a X90 that will incorporate the ECCPM and under-slung flybar with a bigger engine. Please
+ on bigger engine

In my opinion TT has started down the wrong path these days by just putting a few upgrades on and releasing what they are calling a new line of helicopters. They are clearly starting to fall in line with other heli manufactures by leaving the MCCPM technology that separated them from the rest of the crowd behind and using existing ECCPM and under-slung flybar technology That is available on most other brands of helicopters. I think they need to stick to the innovations that have made and continue to make them a leader. instead of a follower.

Ok now that said, I welcome people to voice there opinions as well.
To object or agree with anything I have said.
Like I said at the beginning, this is just my opinion of the current situation,and progress or lack of TT engineering.
I look forward to hearing others opinions on this as well agreeing or disagreeing.
Thanks,Everett

Fly it ! Crash it ! Rebuild it ! Repeat as needed !! Everett

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02-01-2010 06:21 PM  8 years agoPost 2
JasonJ

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Well, I would bet their desire to get back into the game full bore has caused them to go in the direction others took. This X50 has the configuration that has lead TT's competitors to financial success. It doesn't matter what we say, mCCPM is just not desired any more by the masses, despite it's success as a viable means to control the swash. Plus, and lets be honest, it is cheaper to manufacture a stacked frame eCCPM heli than it is to retool for a new molded plastic frame or build an mCCPM configuration. I actually don't care how my swash is controlled, so the X50 looks good to me.

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02-01-2010 07:45 PM  8 years agoPost 3
RaptorMan23

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I dont think it was supposed to be a "whole new helicopter". It is just a new version, just like the

v1
v2
titan

etc
etc

If you only have to bend over once to pick it up it's a good landing.

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02-01-2010 08:00 PM  8 years agoPost 4
trekrider586

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I think TT is just offering their own brand of eccpm heli,instead of people going to the xero g,or other conversions out there to get to the eccpm swash.they are giving the raptor followers a choice.if they want the eccpm they can buy the x50,if they want the trusty mccpm,they can purchase the titan se.

it's better to ask for forgiveness than for permission

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02-01-2010 08:44 PM  8 years agoPost 5
jtjeep75

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i hope so. i would like to see them support both types. i am interested in the x50 but i dont see myself getting rid of the V2 i already have. its just too reliable.

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02-01-2010 10:00 PM  8 years agoPost 6
JeffKollin

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Great for Thunder Tiger, Now than can dabbile on both sides of the fence. People that were tired of M-CCPM and went to the others to get E-CCPM may now come back and try out the X50. I guess when sales are down and you see the compition thriving, "You Gotta Do What You Gotta Do".

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02-01-2010 11:30 PM  8 years agoPost 7
helinutz2

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You still have the option of mCCPM with the Titan SE. It will continue to be produced as Dino said.

Now folks will have the option of eCCPM with the X50.

Not sure how having both to choose from is a problem....

Way to go TT!!

Cheers

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02-01-2010 11:33 PM  8 years agoPost 8
tarzan_eb

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Its not a problem for people that want a CF ECCPM heli. The problem is the titan is not a carbon fiber frame, although it is MCCPM.

Fly it ! Crash it ! Rebuild it ! Repeat as needed !! Everett

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02-01-2010 11:35 PM  8 years agoPost 9
JeffKollin

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So your issue is weight. Sounds like you need a bigger heli for a bigger motor.Not being carbon fiber does not inhibit its flight capabilities, does it.

I guess I dont mind paying 25.00 for a frame virsus what ever they get for a carbon fiber frame

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02-01-2010 11:45 PM  8 years agoPost 10
tarzan_eb

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No it's not just about weight. It's also about looks and strength. If anybody is really worried about money in this hobby, they better find a new hobby. I have a bigger heli with a bigger motor already with the R90.

Fly it ! Crash it ! Rebuild it ! Repeat as needed !! Everett

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02-01-2010 11:47 PM  8 years agoPost 11
RaptorMan23

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Strength??? My stock plastic frame BOUNCES!! What are you talking about strength?? I think I would call that strength

If you only have to bend over once to pick it up it's a good landing.

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02-02-2010 01:21 AM  8 years agoPost 12
CBell

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tarzan_eb,

I've been reading your recent posts regarding the new X50, and feel obligated to address some of your concerns.

I understand where you’re coming from with such a strong preference to mCCPM. I’ve also preferred mechanical mixing for a number of years. However, the masses don’t – “everybody” is looking for a CF, eCCPM, flybar below the main blades, torque tube driven heli. Thunder Tiger has decided to release a model that satisfys that need.

Fortunately, TT's elected to continue production of the Titan 50 SE, for you and the rest of the mCCPM crowd. There is absolutely nothing wrong with our current heli. I’ve had the opportunity to fly almost all of the 50’s presently avaiable, and the R50T SE is definitely not behind or below any of them. Like any other helicopter, it’s got advantages and disadvantages to its competition.

I’ve been in favour of mCCPM since I started flying raptors, and I’m extremely excited for TT’s new line, mCCPM or not. An electronic or mechanical control system (when properly designed) will not make or break the heli. Many other things will however. To prove that, just take a look at all of the very successful eCCPM helis currently being produced. The high end models you see demo'd at IRCHA, XFC, 3D Masters etc. all fly very similarly. Subtle characteristics set them apart. Most of them do not share identical control systems. The raptor is mCCPM, the Fury 55 uses direct servo to swash eCCPM control, the t-rex uses an eCCPM system supported by bell cranks.

Like Dino stated in a different thread, the R50 Titan SE will still be produced for those of you who want to continue to fly a performance mCCPM bird. The Titan SE flies remarkably well. Putting our current heli on a carbon platform of the exact same design won’t give you any gain in performance. It would look very attractive, but that’s where it would end. The response to the Titan SE was/is very positive. Why re-invent the wheel?

The new X50 has been designed very well. I doubt anyone will be disappointed with its performance, reliability, quality, or durability once it’s ready to hit the streets. Unfortunately we will never be able to please everyone with one helicopter. By supplying two different 50-class models TT is able to satisfy more hobbyists.

I wouldn’t throw the X50 out of your egg basket just yet.

Colin

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02-02-2010 01:39 AM  8 years agoPost 13
JeffKollin

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I know I am not. I after very excited awaiting the arrival to the hobby stores. I currently am flying the SE and am very pleased with the performance, but with that being said I have only been flying for 1 year in May and have come along ways for the skills I have developed. I will fly the X50 just as proud and as hard as I do my SE and my 30. Looks are not everything, It does not make it fly better.

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02-02-2010 02:04 AM  8 years agoPost 14
Badger 50

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I think it all comes down to this gentlemen: If you build it, they will come. If you don't, they will go elsewhere. I think it is a smart move by TT. Yeah, I too like the Raptor M-CCPM and have 4 of them. Also have a Rex 450, and I like that too. So I think that if TT wants to build a high quality ECCPM machine, then so be it. The consumer and market will dictate if it succeeds or not. This is, IMHO the best hobby in the world. We all like hanging out with our buddies, and flying and learning together, and usually don't beat each other up about what he is, or isn't flying. Afterall, their only model helicopters, and that's it. So fly what you like, have a ton of fun with it, and help the other guy when you can, and just be thankful for what you have. Just my 2 cents :-)

Rap 90 3D X 2, Rap 50 X2, Fury 55, Rex 450, Hirobo Squark.

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02-02-2010 02:07 AM  8 years agoPost 15
JeffKollin

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Your 2 cents was as good as 1 million dollars!

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02-02-2010 02:20 AM  8 years agoPost 16
GREYEAGLE

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Well Said !
They all have their application's ! Different flavor's for different folks. All that glitter's is not gold for some folk's.
I got all the combination's mentioned and then some !

Her'es what I WANT

Mineral filled, poly or resin frames for durability , bounce flex and abuse.

Cartridge style bearing blocks or insert's for easy interchange's.

MECHANICAL ccpm- no linkage chases- or muddying thru the radio. If necessary double up on the collective servos.

17 cc or 20 cc gas w/ recoil start with rubber vibration isolators that float in the frame.

FAI style head with low cyclic's and adjustable delta set up for heavy blades and scale.

Belted Tail for smooth power and ease to replace if you have a event.

Like they say you can't have every thing :

Open top clutch design w / interchangeable shoes and lining's that can be gotten to from the top or a viscous wet clutch like used in the power transmission industry.

greyeagle

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02-02-2010 04:06 AM  8 years agoPost 17
tarzan_eb

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While I see the advantages of TT producing a ECCPM heli, I can also see the disadvantages. I will admit that I don't know what everyone else wants and TT probably does know what some of there consumers want hence the X50. I am thrilled for the people that got what they wanted. I also think the majority of TT consumers are here for the MCCPM the same as me, if they wanted ECCPM then they have already left TT and are flying somebody's ECCPM nitro heli. So TT might sell to the people that wanted ECCPM and have abandoned TT for another manufacturer and they probably will sell some to the rest of the people flying MCCPM helis that are just loyal to TT. Then there are those of us that don't care for the ECCPM and fly Raptors because of the MCCPM that realize what the MCCPM is all about and are here for that reason. Those people still won't be interested in the ECCPM and will be waiting for a CF framed 50 from TT.
So I guess I'm done complaining it is not going magically change the X50 to MCCPM nor the Titan to a carbon fiber frame, so enjoy all you ECCPM fliers the X50 is just another version of something that every other ECCPM manufacturer has already but now TT has one with there name on it.

Fly it ! Crash it ! Rebuild it ! Repeat as needed !! Everett

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02-02-2010 07:25 AM  8 years agoPost 18
NitroAl

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The only thing on the mCCPM raptor I would like to see go carbon is a re-designed optional pitch arm that lines up better with the push/pull setup! The titan is exceptional and the advantages of the plastic frames outway the bling value of carbon tenfold!
This raises the question- WHY?
X50? Hell yeah, I'll take two and convert my 3rd titan back to mCCPM and they can all share my flight time with the Stratus and Fury55. You can never have too many you know!

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