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02-03-2010 01:15 AM  8 years agoPost 21
Bruce2.5D

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Minor quibble: SMM sensors aren't yet super cheap, or at least not all types. Also, tech support and individual-unit calibration are variables. Most flybarless users haven't figured out why and where calibration matters yet, but they will. Some software tricks and features don't work super well without proper calibration, and some are not even possible, just as not having a 32 bit processor limits upgrades.

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02-03-2010 01:17 AM  8 years agoPost 22
keep-it-cool

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If it’s really $400 then they have already lost me as a customer until the price goes down. They really have to wise up and try to be more competitive.
Well then you really need to lok at the spec's of this unit. This unit will offer alot more than other units!

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02-03-2010 01:29 AM  8 years agoPost 23
OICU812

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Cost and what people are not understanding about some products omg...

The obvious is to point out say you are building up a new heli and looking to go flybarless from start. Now as one example you buy a flybarless system with ability to "NOT" need an rx that alone is 100 bucks saving so let's mark that down and if you own reciever yea you still canvuse it but why not save the money and space?

Secondly as Bruce mentions individual calibration and ensuring each piece is best it can be is worth allot to a person expecting to get their full value from a product.

It seems with the recent Align systems coming out at their price that every other competitor should lower their prices? Let's be realistic here and actually evaluate the differences of the systems and stop being mindless sheep here. I can allready see the next wave of beast system users and cause of the price only, but what are you getting and what procedures did they implement on their product qc wise? What support will they provide to you? Wait sometime, evaluate for yourself. Skookum like some other manufacturers are not all mass production outfits with a thousand plus employees and quality products take time, research and more importantly money to develop Rant over just seems people look at the price now days and nothing else at all...

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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02-03-2010 01:48 AM  8 years agoPost 24
keep-it-cool

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Well said!

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02-03-2010 04:29 AM  8 years agoPost 25
Mioca

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They've dropped the SK360? Seems to me one is a 3 axis and one is a 2 axis. afaik they're still selling and supporting the 360.
Yes man, they have dropped the price of the SK360 from $320 the first release to $250 Now.
Why ? because the last year there was no competition between FBL systems... thanks very much ALIGN!!

The price of the FBL unit is not the price of the electronic material, it's only the price that people are willing to pay for this product.
If they start the price at $300 they can sell thousands of them
( 1000 x 300 = $300.000 )
if they start the price over $400 they will sell ~ 100.. (400 x 100 = $40.000 )

The SK720 R&D is a joke, they did it with the SK360 and now they only had to add a third sensor and upgrade the software.

ALIGN sells cheap, crash, buy, repair, enjoy... people are happy, ALIGN earns less money but has thousands of customers... the brand that wants fill the coffers very fast = wrong way

The price I said for the SK720 is $350 max with the LCD display, the SK360 has a very bad plastic case, I cannot plug my Futaba servo pins because they are a bit large, I had to iron out and invert the white wire with the black one

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02-03-2010 04:50 AM  8 years agoPost 26
Mioca

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Anyone can answer my question please ??

What is the performance of the SK720 tail sensor, like a GY401 or a good DS760 ?

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02-03-2010 07:56 AM  8 years agoPost 27
twinpeak

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I guess nobody, with exception of the Sookum testpilots can tell you anything about the perfprmance. As for the instaled hardware: I asume that -as in all high end units of the competitors- mems-sensors of the newest generation are used. So I wouldn´t worry about the quality of the hardware. It´s the SW that makes the difference.....

David

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02-03-2010 09:28 AM  8 years agoPost 28
WIRLYBIRD

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I think at all times we all know , we only get what you pay for , having said that CHEAPER is not always bad , I will pay whatever Shookum ask for the 720 , as INMHO they have certainly done their R+D on the 360. I think they will apply all that feedback into this unit , and it will come out better researched , and with a very upgradeable soft wear , this will have been at great cost to them. As a manufacturer myself I have to amortise these costs into the units , otherwise we'll run at a loss , and no products would be on the market!!

They also seem to have realised that it has to be user friendly , when many of the previous ones are not , including my old by to days standards Helicommand.
Dave.

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02-03-2010 11:56 AM  8 years agoPost 29
Ben-T-Spindle

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It’s been proven that selling large qualities at a good price is the best marketing strategy. Align and Wal-Mart are two examples. While other more expensive companies have gone out of business they thrive.

Those extra features are nice for some but a lot of us will never use them. Perhaps they need two versions (a 3D version and a beginner’s/AP version).

... BTS

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02-03-2010 12:29 PM  8 years agoPost 30
twinpeak

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This is generalized. There are enough brands sticking to the "boutique philisofy", i.e. producing in small numbers for the high end of the market at multiple of the prices of the mainstream segment. Just one example from the RC-heli industry: Jan Henseleit produces only a couple of hundred TDRs a year. Priced at $ 1350 for the barebone kit, the number of those willing to be put on a waiting list for 6-9 months is growing steadily. It sure doesn´t look like he was going out of business in the foreseable future.....
David

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02-03-2010 02:15 PM  8 years agoPost 31
rotormonkey

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I don't understand all the hostility here. Setting prices as what the market will bear is how business is done. That's how the WORLD works. If you don't like Skookum's business strategy, and you think the quality of the Align unit better matches the price, then go buy an Align unit and be done with it. I don't see the problem..

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02-04-2010 09:30 PM  8 years agoPost 32
kanok1

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What I will buy
I'm interested in going FBL. Seems like this year is an exciting time to do just that. With so many more companies competing for your hard earned cash. I will be considering features being offered, c/s, how well built, the tail & H/H are. I'm sure by mid or toward the end of the summer I will get one new. Maybe at that point I might even be able to pick one up used on here for a decent price.

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02-05-2010 12:44 PM  8 years agoPost 33
NFFD

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Is there any more information on the release date?, Trying to decide when I should try and sell my 360, and gy611 systems to get ready for the 720.

Curtis

Sorry Sir!, But Visa's saying We need to destroy the Card!!

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02-06-2010 07:52 AM  8 years agoPost 34
alfred

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I will pay whatever Shookum ask for the 720 , as INMHO they have certainly done their R+D on the 360.
Not quite, we are still waiting for the latest Firmware upgrade that was promised. The last one is over a year old.

When it comes to price, remember that the SK360 is just a 2axis unit.
Align sells a 3axis unit including the full FBL head with whashout for what?..$30,- more then the 2 axis SK360?

Just trying to keep things realistic and yes I have a SK360.
Now remember that after purchasing the SK720, you still have to purchase/modify the head and washout to FBL. Add the cost of the those parts $150 ~ $300,- and now we are talking about some serious money.
Just trying to keep it real.

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02-06-2010 01:58 PM  8 years agoPost 35
ONDI

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[quote Now as one example you buy a flybarless system with ability to "NOT" need an rx that alone is 100 bucks[/quote]
not true you still have to buy one or two satellite rx at @ 30$

what goes up, must come down in pieces :)

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02-06-2010 02:09 PM  8 years agoPost 36
Ben-T-Spindle

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With Spektrum you need at least satellites if you don’t want to crash.

Anyway I have given up on Spektrum and will be using Futaba FASST on my next flybarless project.

... BTS

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02-07-2010 12:14 AM  8 years agoPost 37
alfred

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Anyway I have given up on Spektrum and will be using Futaba FASST on my next flybarless project.
Have you had problems with Spectrum?

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02-07-2010 12:37 AM  8 years agoPost 38
ke6d

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I was waiting for the SK-720 for a long time. I gave up and got a mini VBar last week. I am now installing it on my Rave 450. In doing research on the VBar/Mini Vbar that uses only remote receiver, I found out that fail safe on the receiver is no longer programmable. I believe that FS is now only holding last position with max throttle. I hope I am wrong on this issue, but if this is the case, my heli can fly at full throttle when a radio interference occurs which is not good.

My Fleet: T-Rex 700e VBar, T-Rex 600e VBar, Logo 500 VBar, T-Rex 500 VBar, T-Rex 450Pro VBar

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02-07-2010 11:34 AM  8 years agoPost 39
Ben-T-Spindle

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Have you had problems with Spectrum?
I have a belt drive Trex 500 and it would crash all the time with a Spektrum radio. After I got my new Futaba 8FGH I have never had any more problems.

I know that most upgrade to a drive shaft to solve this problem but Spektrum should really make a radio that will work with all helicopters.

... BTS

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02-07-2010 11:49 AM  8 years agoPost 40
Ronald Thomas

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It does Just a slight mod fixed everything.........Ron

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